Are you referring to me? What did I do?
No he’s referring to @kevingraehl who hoarded unities ‘for the community’
I’m not saying it was good or bad or anything in-between, just sharing the event.
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Yeah I just put 2 and 2 together 
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The MoDz R CenSoRiNg!1!!
Kevin was calling us assholes.
I don’t even disagree, just adding context.
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::sigh:: sorry team - i’m trying to get the Fascist badge and need to do (55) overt acts of censorship. it’s not personal, it’s just right …far right 
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Hi guys, I am not a beta tester nor have I ordered from rideneo.co yet, but I have been following this thread, and would just like to put my thoughts out there.
With all that is going on whether it be shipping, quality control, design changes, or COVID, I want to say I am behind @jeffwuneo and his work!
I really want to see @jeffwuneo succeed, as his work is truly helping move our community forward. In fact I think we all would like him to succeed, but we need to give him time in order to make that future possible.
Maybe its not my place to say so because I don’t have any skin in the game with buying from neo, but I just want to put my 2 cents out there and say I hope neo continues to be successful! Lets go Jeff!
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For sure man, we are all entitled to our opinions! I just hope you understand from the perspective of some of us who have been around here for a while, why we would totally distrust him after it being revealed that he lied about having ties with a notorious esk8 scammer.
edit: OK I’M DONE NOW PROMISE SORRY 
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Let’s try to not derail this topic though! Your post would fit in better in the thread dedicated to the drama: Vendor ID Discussion
I don’t know if you’ve read that whole thread, but if you haven’t, it will probably change your opinion 
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I have not read the Vendor ID Discussion thread. I will give it a read.
and @whaddys I’ve been building esk8’s since 2016, and even if Jeff did lie, the IP he’s put together has to count for something, and I want to give him credit for that in pushing our community forward.
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Knock off loaded hubs, a generic bamboo deck, and focbox clones. Not so original but we’ll see what happens.
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Well with Enertion gone, I was really hoping the focbox clones from him could be a quality replacement. I just want to give Jeff (or anybody) that can make a reliable ESC the ability to do that. If Jeff isnt the guy then he isnt the guy. But I think he is, and I want him, or anybody to make a reliable ESC to be successful whether it comes from Jeff or not doesnt matter to me, as long as the product works as it should.
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It’s a little more complicated than that though IMO. If he is indeed connected with JED, then that means the new customers (including myself) are giving money to a project that is affiliated with someone who ripped off people $$$ who are still waiting for JEDboards, so in effect we are contributing to negligence of those who invested in JED before us. IDK about you, but on a moral level that doesn’t sit right with me and is not something I want to support, regardless of whether the engineering of the NEObox is something to awww at.
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This topic does fit better in here, Thanks to whoever moved it 
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I understand this , but this doesn’t match the same energy (in terms of the forum as a whole) when it came to Boawheels for the past 3 years.
Is there any one still waiting in their refund for Jedboards ? I got mine years ago and been monitoring to see what’s up with it for the past couple of months. It’s weird that There hasn’t been Any Jedboard refund post in any of the Esk8 social media channels I’m following.
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Can we just be clear though, what is his work? So far he has delivered near duplicates of existing products with redesigned cases at a lower price. He seems like an ok guy minus the controversy, but I am a bit worn out on the hype. I guess all the excitement is just at the lower pricing?
Thanks for making me feel sane.
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It may not be that impressive, but he has succesfully cloned the Focbox, which is unobtainable new. Sure it’s a clone but it was one of the most reliable ESC’s we’ve ever had. No one else has done that yet. The lower price is a huge thing. Having Flipsky pricing for something like the Focbox was the whole reason people were excited about this.
Besides having reliable ESC’s again. People complain about their unities having issues, but not their Focbox’s
Edit: They are no longer existing products.
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while his v4 is a focbox clone, did he not engineer the three shunt variation to make the v6?
🤷🏽
there is this running theory that he just had the factory which originally made the focboxes sell him a new batch of pcb’s, but it doesn’t explain how the three shunt v6 came out of nowhere
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If engineering is swapping in components from another open-source schematic… To be honest I’m biased here, I spend all day designing out pretty radically different (not yet proven to be better) motor controllers.
The FOCBOX was reliable because the guy who designed it (@Blasto) is a test engineer and setup solid QC processes before they were delivered to customers. I think people tend to conflate design with manufacturing sometimes. Reliability requires both to be good.
I’m pretty sure this is false.
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I think probably the main reason I feel differently is just that I value new ideas and concepts, and need to respect that some people just want the stuff they are used to. I would never be the person celebrating someone x-raying an old PCB to copy, I have much more respect for smart people making new and different stuff (like @shaman and his cool projects).
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i certainly respect your point of view on this topic, so much so that i wish it was you (and charles and jean-francois who together will go down in history) who brought an affordable three shunt esc to market after enertion’s collapse. especially if it would have been such a trivial exercise. in a way, the three of you would have saved us all this grief
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