The battery builders club

Hope this is the right place to post this.
I recently bought a used (~10 cycles) 10s5p 30Q battery pack (before I learned about the quality control issues on the more recent packs from the builder :eyes:)

The pack seems to be built with double stacked 0.1mm x 8mm nickel for the p-groups and four strips of the same nickel for the series connections.

The battery lead connections are obviously not enough, just 1 strip of nickel. How would you guys recommend improving them? Do you guys see any other serious issues?

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Weak solder joints, bottle necks from super low nickel mass and poor layout, no accommodation for flex, no parallel group insulation, messy balance leads, cold weldsā€¦dude thatā€™s sus at best

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Is it worth trying to salvage?

I am of the current opinion that salvaging batteries sucks, if you have a lot of time it can be done but the amount of money you save is hardly worth the time so you gotta be hella bored for it to be worthwhile

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So this failed after 3 welds. Iā€™ll admit that I didnā€™t use a high C battery, but malectrics just worked fine with the same battery. Got all my money back from banggood right away. I guess they knew about the problem.

Just ran Malectrics for the first time. Works perfectly. Now I can cross ā€œspot welderā€ off the list of tools I wanted to have.

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Honestly it would probably run okay, some sharp corners and touchy welds, itā€™s not the worst Iā€™ve ever seen but coming from a builder specifically it is a bit poor attention to details

Is that a single stack 0.1x 8mm pack negative? Youā€™d want to check out the conductor thread to see what you could safely pull through that. Hard to believe the pack negative is connected like that

I remeasured and the negative is actually double stacked 0.15x8mm. Should be acceptable at 35A continuous according the the chart on the conductor thread. I donā€™t plan on pulling more than 50A peak out of it, so Iā€™m hoping it will be fine. I will of course be keeping a close eye on it.

Hm yeah just be careful and pad the pack well in the enclosure. Iā€™d make sure to have foam on at least top and bottom to make sure it minimizes vibrations. Iā€™d also add some kapton or fiber tape over the negative lead to keep it in place better.

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I built another battery in July using the @ApexBoards 12S Smart BMS and it hasnā€™t gone night night yet, so thats goodā€¦






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Is this some kind of word puzzle because I canā€™t get my head around it
Cells are pointing north you can use folded nickle. Cells facing (Sideways)east to west you canā€™t?

That sucks, but thanks for being willing to take the leap on a new product!

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why no fish paper on those overlaps?

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wait we need fish paper over overlapping balance wires? :flushed:

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Cus no need. Never had an issue with overlapping wires before

Edit: unless of course you mean fish paper under the tabs which again, no need. The tape is between the cells and the tabs and then wrapped again

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Iā€™m gonna take a punt here and say thatā€™s a tiller pack?

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:sweat_smile: yep you guessed it. Shoulda just thrown down the $500 for a new battery from one of the builders here instead of spending $200 on that thing. Oh well, not the most expensive mistake Iā€™ve ever made :upside_down_face:
Iā€™ll use it for this fall and then buy a new battery for spring.

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Fuck, that is some horrible soldering. I think it might be worth salvaging if you want to stick to that size battery

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I mean if you pull it apart and clean all the cells (that means the ends ground clean, all with intact shrink wrap, and all at the same voltage) I can put it together right for $272 and shipping, you would be sitting just at the $500 mark or so

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Iā€™m sorry that you have been taken advantage of. @Psychotiller is a fucking rogue, and needs to either stop making batteries or start doing it properly.

Pull your fucking finger out Dave, youā€™re a disgrace.

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Is it possible to make a folded pack like this with folds on both top and bottom or is this a bad idea?
Lime is 0.2mm nickel
Dark green is copper braid
Orange balance wires go under the others in a fishpaper sandwich

Direction of travel is north
Thoughts?