That’s almost enough for 1 Vesc6 from Trampa!
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I kinda see what @Sn4Pz is saying. Beta testers should have some kind of incentive. Perhaps a one time 30-50% discount for any production units for the beta testers. To expect a replacement for a full working test unit is a bit of a stretch though.
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Fuck it I’ll bite.
There is absolutely reason to doubt him. In the messages prior to mine beig delivered he kept sayingover and over again that the QC process was excellent and that there would be nothing wrong with the units. CLEARLY solder balls, green liquids, stripped screws, and impropeely sized thermal pads aren’t issues… Right? 
I literally said nothing about the delays, you claim he’s fixed the issues, but have zero proof. Show me a v2 NEObox, except you can’t because they aren’t in the hands of the customers YET.
On the side or up front, it doesn’t matter. He promised a clean and fleshed out product, even though its a test unit. And I certainly didn’t get a clean one.
And now I’m done talking about that shit.
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Any significant issue with an ESC will get me to pop my top. Im literally gambling my life on ESCs while im out and about skating at 30+mph. I see what you mean, but its not undeserved anger in my eyes.
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Yeah that is a fair point, but I agree, expecting a full price, full production unit for free is a lot, bc it would be a complete loss. Not like he can re use the old pcb even if they sent it back.
And besides, if it’s working fine then what’s the point of replacing it? Maybe I’m not understanding something but imo if it’s working, then it ain’t broke, so why fix it?
@Sn4Pz fair enough man. You make valid points, nothing against you. I just think that people are still freaking out about small things too much. I’ll eat my words later if I need to but I hope that doesn’t happen
I too would like to at least see pictures of the v2 but it’s not like life is back to normal there either
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lucky boy haha i wish.
no real changes. Jeff told me that dhl returned the package on the 18th.
According to dhl the first package was returned to jeffs warehouse on the 24th. (?)
He told me it was re-sent to a new address i gave him between the 21st - 23rd.
edit : no update since
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What I understood was the test batch units would be replaced if they had “problems” (there’s some wiggle room in that word). Given the context, that he’s doing this at cost as a favor to the forum, it’s a leap to assume free replacements for units that aren’t broken.
As for compensation, my understanding is the testers get shiny new stuff early. IIRC the pricing wasn’t set for prod batch #1 either, so potentially a discount.
This is why I waited for production units…
@Sn4Pz I feel you, but don’t buy beta/test stuff for gambling your life! 
Mostly teasing, as even the best escs can have problems. (TY for the deal on the vesc6)
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But if I dont give the NEOboxes the full can of beans while testing, is it even considered real testing? I dont think cruising around at 15mph is data worth looking at 
Youre welcome though 
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I was also under the impression that we would be able to exchange for a production unit if improvements were made…
@Sn4Pz all valid points and reasons to be upset. I was lucky and got zero of your problems.
In the end, my units work flawlessly so Im happy
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I’d buy your “defective” neoboxes if I still had any “fukkme” monies… but I’m tapped…
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And im only 2 days away from finally riding again, so I dunno if I would even accept Honestly after thoroughly cleaning them, and drowning them in conformal coating, I think theyre good enough
Shoulda scooped my VESC6s when they were available
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in my understanding the things @Dewitt mentioned are problems. The vesc works, but the things around it have problems. Even though its “just the case”, ee paid for it.
The price was set very early. It was a bit cheaper but increased to the price we have now. I asked if final production units cost more and that was denied.
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I wouldnt mind a beta testers discount on a production set
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Its the same price for beta as what is posted on the site. V4 were 80 each
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i know. But in the early stages we had a slightly lower estimate on the cost which increased once the development got further. Ever since that the prices have been locked for testers and customers.
(need to search for it to prove it, going from my memory rn)
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Ok… that makes more sense. I got in when it was later down the line
this was the v4 then.
99$ were aimed for v6
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I feel a lot of the issues stated above should have been known in the beginning or somewhat assumed. Betas aren’t necessarily production ready products. They’re functional prototypes. They’re meant for fine tuning the finalized products and the incentive is more or less you get to be one of the first ones to have hands on experience/testing. You were free to wait for the production units if you didn’t want to deal with all the issues that come with beta.
Yes your boards may have not been pristine and clean but they’re functional and I don’t think so far there’s been anything life threatening or easy to identify and minor to fix?
The boards still work within their defined parameters no? I mean yeah, I wouldn’t be too happy about it either but I don’t think I would vow to never buy again from Jeff.
Yes Jeff did promise flawless quality but seeing how he’s a new vendor (this isn’t to bash Jeff at all) shouldn’t that been taken with a grain of salt?
I think that estimate was super early on if I’m not wrong. Like a feeler for the market. Before production of anything was made but even if that’s the case, the prices have been solidified even before the beta testers were selected if I remember correctly.
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I totally agree. If you get an early access game you know it’s gonna have bugs. But once it’s finished you get the real deal + you possibly helped the development.
If i was under the premise that i have to live with what i possibly get, i wouldn’t have joined the beta of this.
But like it was phrased it sounded like an early access.
You pay - you test - you help - you get finished product. Everyone happy.
Would you buy an early access game knowing that yours won’t ever reach the released version but every other customer get the good version for the same price if they wait a bit longer? I definitely wouldn’t.
I’m not saying i want to keep the beta version. That would be returned on my cost and under that premise i joined the squad and helped with the post (couldn’t test the vesc duh)
the estimate was back in november, so alpha stage basically. I’m fine with the prices, i just wanted to proof my the point.
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