Noob question thread! 2020_Summer

Some of those style chargers do that. I think they got cheap with how they make them. Either there’s no hysteresis or the hysteresis is set wrong.

The fan will start going on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off for like ten minutes right at the top of the charge cycle. It’s just a wonky charger and annoying but it seems to work fine.

Just view it as an audible “I’m nearly done charging, you can ride now” signal.

This is a separate problem probably but not certainly unrelated to that.

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In desperate need of constructive criticism about this doodle which I spent more time on than I’d like to admit…

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Just go to 16s4p that looks awful

Awful to make, drawing is fine

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I second @ZachTetra

If you have enough cells just do a 16S4P

If you actually only have 60 cells then that will work, but erm, it’s wonky af.

There are also a couple wires that will be stressed a tiny bit more than others and you could bump up to the next AWG size. But it’s only a 60% / 40% difference, if your wire is already more than big enough it’s no big deal. Just 20% higher currents through these 4 wires:

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16s4 would be a much simpler than this, yea.

Would someone be able to quantify the difference between 16S4P and 12S5P using P42A cells in each pack?

Is it just higher volts vs more range?

range comes from ur total Wh. same amount of cells should theoretically give u very similar range

Well 16s4p has more cells so higher total watt hours so more range, also higher voltage is faster and more efficient so even more range and better top end which improves efficiency further

Catch is you need a high voltage ESC like a uBox, Stormcore 100D, or Trampa 75xxx. Also less torque

However if you change the gear ratio the speed and torque thing means nothing

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Seems the 12S5P can operate at +30amps continuous over the 16S4P.

Is +16V > +30a ?

There’s also a difference of ~60wh and ~500w output.

Volts has little to do with range but 64 cells is more range than 60 cells, that’s for sure. It’s also 7% heavier.

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Personally I’d do 16s, the system will run cooler and you have better performance overall

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The biggest problem with moving up to a higher voltage will be a far fewer number of controllers you will be able to use, and those controllers might waste more energy as heat than the 60V controllers will. However the rest of the system besides the controller should run cooler overall. And the controller might not run hotter.

It’s very complicated really.

Your enclosure holding a 8x8 grid of cells is likely reason enough to use 16S.

If you’re doing a good order of operations, then this won’t be any problem at all:

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Glad I asked :blush:

Ty👍 @ZachTetra

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What cells are you using?

Plan on using P42A cells.

You could do 12s6p P26A instead

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That would be more amps at 180a?, continuous. But also with -300wh than the 16S4P’s 967wh and 120a continuous…

I definitely want more range at this point.

Aren’t there a fewer number of motors one would be able to use on 16S?

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Well maybe but the bigger issue is that a lower Kv motor will have a higher winding resistance which is going to burn off more energy as heat inside the motor.

I see

The best you can do is high voltage, max out the safe erpm limit, and solve the rest with gearing

I’m running 15s 190kv motors and I get it down to 40 mph top end with 145/150mm tires and a 1:3.95 great reduction

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