Noob question thread! 2020_Summer

Bit of context, batteries first: I have a 10S2P 30Q pack that I’m using at the moment, getting about 15-17km. I also made a 12S3P LG HE4 pack that has been sitting on a shelf because it doesn’t fit in my enclosure and I later realised it’s very badly made and probably not very safe. I have a couple of extra HE4s and a bigger enclosure now.

Motors: Currently using a single Maytech 6355 170Kv, 14T/44T on 120mm Cloudwheels. I’m fairly heavy (around 225lbs), so the torque isn’t great. I don’t really have any desire to go above 30 km/h right now - the board can reach it but I can’t handle it at that speed at the moment, might be a truck or setup issue but I’ve swapped in whatever the stiffest bushings I could find were (I think 95A). I do however really want more torque for fun, and kind of need it for breaking. I’m either going to get a Flipsky 6384 140Kv and add it alongside the 6355, or get two 6384s. Until then I’ve ordered a 12T pulley but it’s aluminium so if anyone has links to steel ones/can vouch for aluminium that’d be appreciated. Similarly I couldn’t find ABEC/cloudwheel pulleys above 44T but if they’re common somewhere I’ve missed please let me know.

ESC: Unity

First question: Am I ok to put two fairly different motors on the board? I think I’m inside the ERPM limit with 170 and 12S. To match the speed I was going to keep the 170KV one at 14T and put the 140KV at 17T. If there are some noob mistakes in here please correct. What I will most likely do is buy one 6384 and then add a second if needed later.

I can rebuild the pack as 12S3P or 10S4P. The cells are as best I can tell more optimised for discharge current than capacity, they advertise 20A continuous and 35A burst. The 10% difference in capacity doesn’t make much difference to me with 40 vs 36 cells (I think anyway? I’m fine with the existing range because I live in the city, the question mark is just if adding the extra power is likely to tank my range). This leads to the second question:

Should I go 10S4P or 12S3P? I’m leaning 10S because I don’t need the extra speed and it can’t hurt to spread the load current over 4P instead of 3P even if I don’t strictly need it - I don’t think I’ve drawn more than 15A from the battery because I don’t go very fast or try to do hills at top speed or whatever, so these cells should be good for that in 1P. What I want to check is related to a spirited conversation a few of us had in the ESC thread about voltage vs current loads in an ESC. Does 12S up the risk for a unity considerably? Does the increased current draw of 2 chonky motors at 10S bring its own worse risks?

Well it’s not purpose built for jumping but it does get jumped occasionally.

Now THIS is an interesting one.

I’m going to second Brian’s question. Can you get us logs of both the motor and ESC temps for a “cold start” cut-out as well as a “warm-up”? Also, do you have any faults being reported? What do you use for logging?

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My money’s on a wonky solder connection that remakes itself with heat (tens of amps through a tiny area will hot it up right good) and it can only reliably sustain the current once it’s been “reflowed”. Would be a relatively easy fix with a good bit of flux and a hot air gun but it could be attached to something delicate like an electrolytic cap or something with a lot of mass so that complicates it

5 inches of 24awg wire for a 4amp charger to little? hoping i could get away with it (charge port side)

Seems okay, but barely.

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get away with it barely? or i should change it barely

also what size shrink wrap should i get for a battery 20cm long and roughly 20cm wide and 7.5cm tall?

thanks

@b264 i tried and it all gets hot very quickly. is that normal and ok or does that mean i should change it now?
thanks

If it’s silicone-insulated wire, it should be okay. I would not use plastic insulated wire for that.

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not sure how i would know

i have 2 bits of wire 24awg one gets hot and the other stays cool. not sure the difference between them

Look for the post in there by @glyphiks if I remember correctly.

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Silicon wire is very flexible and the strands of copper or tinned copper are very fine.

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its all flexible

the silicone one is still getting hot (not enough that it burns your hands but toasty)

that sounds terrible, get a new esc doe

Then redo it with a thicker wire… I am new to this as well. But I am using 10 to 16AWG for everything.

This says 24AWG is only good for max of 3.5amps: American Wire Gauge Chart and AWG Electrical Current Load Limits table with ampacities, wire sizes, skin depth frequencies and wire breaking strength

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This thread has some good intro info. Including some often used brands, and more details regarding lipo vs li-ion.

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@simeon @frame and any others who helped thanks so much

gotta my motor open

not sure what im looking for now to fix the issue though.

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In all 4wd lingyis I’ve seen there is no can bus connection plugged in.
They just use a remote that can connect to 2 escs simultaneously.

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What’s a safe operating temp for the motors and battery (via METR)?