Modifying prebuilt junk, in stages, to be less junk like.

The copper rolls I have bought are pretty oily when wiped with IPA.
I guess something is applied to keep them shiny and bright.

Finger prints will discolor the copper, but takes a while. I really hate wearing gloves to prevent this.

I have more experience welding sandwich than I do pure nickel, and more experience with my inconsistent cheap Purple welder than I do with the AWZ p20B, but I could tell a weaker suspect weld from a solid one by feel as much as sight, and often the NPS would stick to the electrode and lift off the copper, but the copper below was often welded fairly Solid.

my failed welds were usually because the purple welder fired before I was ready in terms of locating the welds or applying the ā€˜correct’ pressure.

I agree on the doubling of work cutting out the copper and nickel plated steel and deburring the edges being a pain in the ass. I keep seeing Nelvick’s laser cut copper busbars and think what a timesaver and improvement.

I have no CAD skills, but he has offered to cut out busbars for me if I send him a file.

If all one has to do is stack two identical sheets, then sandwich is only little more work than non sandwich.

The nickel plated Steel atop the copper really noticeably increases the strength when trying to tear off the test welds, but I have no 0.2mm pure nickel to compare, just 0.15mm so tearing off 0.1 copper, 0.1 NPS is an unfair comparison.

The AwithZ preheating function is supposed to burn off any contaminants before the initial weld pulse. I didn’t notice any delay or difference when I have it set for 15 or 20MS vs 0. I can notice when changing the interval between pulses though.

I need to bust it out and experiment more. My damn lower back is on crippling fire, and the damn lawn needs mowing.

The welding flux comes off pretty easily with a Q-tip and rubbing alcohol. Applying it to the cell with the syringe is imprecise at best, as for the amount. I am thinking of picking it up and applying it with a small flexible squeegee, from a dollop instead.

I am not sure how much flux is actually required, but I suspect the amounts I have used are incredibly excessive.

I’d love to be able to measure if the weld is actually wider and fatter and lower resistance using the flux, than without it.

Need to experiment more.

My reclaimed Wintonics are more than ready, discharged to 0.0753v, but my damn lower back…

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After about 150 cells I didn’t mind the sandwich that much anymore. That said I do charge a hefty extra for sandwich copper as its quite time consuming though not as annoying as I originally thought it would be. The probes also wear super fast at high power, my glitter 811h does 7600 amps according to the screen. 1 large size esk8 battery with 0.3 copper sandwich is roughly a pair of probes. The probes also tend to stick to the weld and you actually need to break them off. I also found that I was getting more consistent results when I was pushing the probes into the weld significantly harder than I do with the kweld. Overall it’s a significantly slower welding process for me, even though I was always struggling with super hot probes on the kweld.

I also found that overall my welds are much more consistent and I don’t have to constantly adjust power level depending on probe temperature which is certainly nice. I literally just opened the manual, looked up the power value for the material and tested that ±5%. For the materials I tried it was spot on. Didn’t even had to clean the cells and the materials for consistent results.

My super quick testing didn’t yield good results for raw dogging 0.3 copper and I didnt try other thicknesses, that said I didn’t try any brazing paste. Maybe the paste is the key. I also didn’t feel like I wanted to puncture a cell in the name of science by doing too much power…

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This is great info. Pleae leave your post intact here, but could you also copy it into the copper spot welding thread too?

I have a fraction of your experience spot welding and battery building.

I did notice in Nelvick’s videos that he seemed to use far more pressure than I was using with my old cheap purple welder.

That welder I had to compress the sandwich, with a lot of pressure, but then reduce downward pressure before it automatically fired at a one second interval.

Too much pressure yielded weak welds.

The electrode tips were pure copper though, not the alloy of the Glitter or AwithZ, and of course the welder’s power was a fraction too, and I was only doing 0.1mm copper, 0.1 nickel plated steel.

When I got the AwithZ I noticed that compressing the sandwich with a lot of pressure, and then lifting by half before firing, had little effect on the result.

The Back pain relented enough to go for a fairly long roll today.
First roll in a few days.

Fiona was so happy. Its so hot we both enjoy the roll more than the destination though.

I got some new Pneumies En route.

https://cart.electricscooterparts.com/2-80/2-50-4-electric-scooter-tire

Should be taller and slightly narrower, and hopefully a flatter contact patch which wears more evenly, and hopefully far less wobbly than these heavy 4 ply 8x3 turf tires in the photos.

I gotta say the these worn turfs at 8.1 PSI on asphalt corner and carve wonderfully, laugh at bumps and pavers, and the soft stuff. I really love the way this board handles right now, and I need new pivot cups.

I just fear the puncture as the center of the tire tread just looks and feels so thin. Their sidewalls are so Stiff I think I’d be able to contain a blow out at decent speed, depending on how far forward I was riding.
It’s more comfy the farther forward I move, and I move my feet a lot.

I do hang 5 over the soft stuff and often find I just stayed there when i returned to the smooth stuff.

I got a spare 6x2" psychotiller on the chariot.
10MM axles for all. just ride home tilted

My coarse brown sugar epoxy grip is worn.
need to remedy.

Running low on epoxy

Bubinga wedge risers need to happen.

Feel like a kid on Christmas morning.

Some Kenda 2.80-2.50-4’s arriving, …

Paled in comparison to Nelvick’s goodie package containing 12 JP30’s, 6 BAK45D, 19 lightly used, pre fishpaper ring’d Samsung 50E, and some 0.1mm stainless steel and various thickness and width rolls of copper, and another tube of Flux/ brazing paste

The 6 BAK’s and 19 Samsungs came in this neat 3DP 5x5 cell holder.

The Kenda’s are lighter than my worn Cheng shin 8x3" turf tires.

With a 200x50mm tube, the well worn cheng Shin 8x3" turfs weigh 622.2 grams.

With a 200x50mm tube, the new Kenda K473 weigh 580.1 grams

My Long cruiser deck is needing some maintenance, so I transferred my enclosure and powered hanger to my Midsize kicktail.

The 105mm sleeves and foot and deckbite tried to hurt me, so I went down to 90mm. The torque accelerating and braking are the most I’ve yet felt riding Esk8.

I am very interested in the spotwelding with 0.1mm 304 stainless steel right now, but might have to repair a toilet instead.

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The midsize kicktail has no issues on the crushed shell trail, power to spare, but my eyeballs start vibrating in my skull.

I gotta work on my cruiser deck.
I wanna try those Kendas.

But I got to get them to seat properly on the rims…should probably get the right size tubes too.

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The cruiser deck was getting slippery, and more flexible.

I was gonna add some fiberglass tow/roving to the perimeter, and sanded it free of previous coatings, but end grain plywood soaks up epoxy or polyurethane deeply, and I recall that this deck I originally used polyurethane, 22 years ago.

So out came the dremel and rotary rasp and barrel sanders to dig a cove into the perimeter, into which I will lay the prewetted unidirectional fiberglass. The holes are drilled at opposing angles and the epoxy will fill them and act like locking fingers.

The cross hatching of roving strands was done several years ago as I would pump propel this board and it would bottom out too easily.
I’m gonna add some more to the front half after the coves are filled.

The topside too will get some more reinforcement too, and then a new Brown sugar epoxy grip.

I’m not going for showroom quality finish, I just want it to be a bit stiffer, a bit wider and fully sealed, and grippy.

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September 1997, there was a Hurricane off of Baja, Hurricane Linda, i believe. I chased its significant swell north out of San Diego county to a more favorable coastline to meet such a swell angle.

The paddle out was intense, duck diving lines and lines of whitewater, doing underwater cartwheels clamped to my 6’8 hybrid shortboard, and just barely making it outside. My buddy was just 20 feet inside of me and the clean up set I just barely squeeked under, landed on his head.

The sets were nearly non stop, and the next time I saw him he was walking on the beach, beaten, and I was out there alone.

The swell was coming at a steep angle to the beach, and there was a super strong current pushing northward, and just to my South these beautiful left handers were peaking and peeling towards me for 200 meters, but then closing out, peeling too fast and folding over in Giant sections. Best waves I had even seen in Southern California, and I was the only one out.

I was pretty gassed from the paddle out, and was constantly paddling south to get to that peak. Triangulating my position with several landmarks on shore, I saw that when paddling at 80% of max power, I was just managing to stay put. At 90% of max paddling speed I was just barely able to make any southward progress.

I was in my mid 20’s, in very good paddling shape, and frothing to get one of those giant empty lefts rifling from that distant peak, and just dug deep and head down, just gave it a solid steady 95%, concentrating on an efficient paddling stroke.

I was wishing for a board which paddled a LOT faster, something longer, but not too long, something thicker, but something I could still Duck dive, meaning not too thick, and not too much rocker. (bottom curve)

I had tons of experience riding heavy 1960’s singlefin longboards in tiny, to fairly big gnarly conditions. While paddling, I was designing the perfect board in my mind for these conditions. Something which was not quite a longboard as I defined longboard, but something which was also not anything close to the high performance triple finned 9 foot long ā€˜shortboards’ where were the rage among the lesser skilled, and represented style of surfing I absolutely loathed, both then, and now.

I did not make it to the peak.
I got maybe half way there and I had to spin around and take one wave which just looked too good to let go.

I was getting a bit spooked out there alone with some large fish activity going on, and the swell was still on the rise and seemed to be pulsing.

I was late getting into it as my shoulders were rubbery with effort, but once on my feet it was on.
Accelerating off the bottom turn I rode high back up in the wave, and Aimed back down and just got this insane burst of speed and saw 100+ meters of lined up swell stretching out in front of me, feeling the bottom, getting steeper and was going to close out. I was not going to get a very long ride, but was on one of the biggest waves i’d ever ridden in my life at that point.

I had three options, turn straight to the beach, try to stay on my feet as long as possible while the white water rode me down, kick out and possibly deal with bigger waves right behind it which would break on my head, or three, hammer down, get as much speed as possible and just pull into a giant cavern, and enjoy the view Only surfers get to see and experience firsthand.

A view that has altered most paths of those who experience it, forever after.

Hammer down, speed on, and my fins started humming because I was going so fast and they were poorly foiled. I still remember it vividly 27 years later. On my heelside rail, my backhand, I’d usually grab a rail to get smaller, tripod, and fit inside the tube, but this behemoth was a stand up barrel, and I knew it was going to close out with me inside, and that at some point I would have to dive forward and try and get away from my board.

The water was this light green color, and it was already afternoon, and the sun was lighting up the back of the wave and as the lip threw over my head. The interior was just this insanely beautiful aqueous sparkly cavern, both insanely peaceful, yet on the edge of violence.

I saw the exit of this cavern getting further and further away, but was still racing as if an exit were a remote possibility, but then just Stood tall to just enjoy this unique and highly coveted position, before the beating began.

The falling lip breaking in the trough, creates the ā€˜tube monster’ which works its way up the face of the breaking wave, and unseats the rail and fins and is seldom beaten.

As soon as I felt it begin to lift my outside rail, and with no hope of an exit, I jumped forward intending to continue my ride, bodysurfing, and continue the view for as long as possible and get as far away from my surfboard as possible too.

Usually the legrope leash limits just how far one can bodysurf in such a situation, but this time I was going so fast and I guess the tube monster prevented my board from digging in and providing resistance, so I was able to bodysurf far longer inside the tube than expected and continue that beautiful view from within.

I’d actually though my legrope broke for a moment, when I felt it start to stretch and stop me, and then I felt completely weightless as I got sucked up and over the falls, and the giant kaboom happened.

Violent underwater cartwheels, that one is powerless to stop or slow, so basically just protect one’s head and take your beatings. Fighting it just wastes oxygen.

I was underwater for quite a while, and was getting hungry for a breath when it let up and I figured out which way was up and started swimming for the surface.

I got a breathe or 2 before the next line of white water from the following wave rolled me over and kept me under for a while longer, and several more times, until I was able to reel in the board turn it right side up, aim towards shore and try and ride one line of white water to the sand on my belly.

I was a good half mile north of where the car was parked and on my walk back several witnesses of my ride, seemed as frothed out at my ride as I was.

I was pretty gassed. I wanted more but if anything the swell was even bigger and more ornery than when I first paddled out, So I called it a session.

At that time I had access a complete surfboard factory, and I had a 10’8" foam blank, intended to be shaped into an old school 10’6 noserider, but that night I drew out a super narrow pintail, 9’3" singlefin with a longboardish nose. I had only shaped 3 surfboards at that point, but stayed in the empty factory all night by myself, refining the outline rocker and rails, just zenning out on the process.

The guy who was teaching me to shape , who was not a longboard rider or shaper, came into the shaping room in the morning and remained quiet as he ran his eyes along the rails, Checked out the rocker, the foil, and walked out without a word.

I kept going, and later on that morning one of the factory groupies, came in had a look and said, that thing looks like a guppy, like a baby longboard.

The name stuck.

It was also my first lamination job, and because the board was shaped from a much bigger blank, I’d shaped away the harder foam, and the board was soft, and the glass job, my first or maybee second lamination without assistance, was far from good.

But the board rode really well, and even in small conditions it was not designed for.
It was smooth and predictable, and when it got big, it did what I designed it for. I could be duck dive it, it paddled fast, allowing early entry into big waves, small waves, any wave, and it could handle the power and speed of a big wave.

I had other longboards I preferred in small gutless conditions but as an all arounder The Guppy was really a good board.

It was a loaner, ridden hard, put away wet, not fixed as promptly when the rails would get dinged.

Sometime around 2014, I was resigned to letting it break in half. It had big stress cracks on the bottom, huge deep footwells, that were delaminating, was starting to get yellowed. Obvious repairs everywhere.

My regular longboard was in drydock, and it once again The Guppy became my daily driver, and I got to the breach, and realized forgot my standard 9.5 inch deep fin, but I had an 8" deep fin with me, and I wanted to surf, so I threw it in the fin box, and on the first wave I was blown away at how well it rode.
Looser, faster, and no signs whatsoever of being underfinned, and I had an incredible session on it, then another, then it got big, and I absolutely dominated the lineup with it. Nobody else was even in a position to catch the outside monster sets I was waiting for, and every time I caught a monster set way outside, everybody was hooting.

It was like I had a wave magnet in my pocket and could do no wrong.

I got to the beach and was like, this freaking thing is magic with this fin, I cannot let it break in half.

I wound up spending a huge amount of effort inlaying in some Cedar on top and below the stringer for the I beam effect, and then pulling carbon Fiber strips tightly rail to rail, to keep the two halves together, and glassed over it.

I wound up making a new 8" deep fin for it. It had gained a good 3 Lbs of weight, and I knew the loss of flex and added weight could potentially ruin the way the board rode.

My first wave on it I knew that I did not, that I could push it even harder off the bottom and through turns, and the extra weight just added to its flow.

Big or small waves, the board felt amazing, like an extension of my Mind, and when it got big, I could sit farther outside, and wait longer for the biggest ones, and have them all to myself.

Today I was working on My Esk8 deck.

It too is old. I made it in 2003, from some 13 layer Baltic birch plywood which came in 5x5 foot long sheets and was advertised a Finnish baltic birch, not Russian.

I’d added three mahogany Stringers to the middle, and used biscuts and some water based wood glue I got talked into using against my better instincts to join it together. After riding it for a bit the glue lines started to fail along the mahogany, and I made another deck from the baltic birch without stringers, and this deck sat unused for many years.

When i broke that deck, I busted out the triple stringer deck, and decided to add some White oak butterflies across the top to hold it together. That worked well, and the board got ridden hard and started getting more and more flexible. So I added the cross hatching roving strips top and bottom to stiffen it up a bit.

When I got into Esk8 in October '23, I was like, hey, I can strap that junk 7s enclosure to it with the 80mm Jking hub motors, and my first ride on it I was like I am never riding a short kicktail again, why did I not do this sooner?

I had an extra Mountainboard TKP truck left over from my kayak cart build, and 200x50 pneumatics I threw on the front, just so see, and I was like, I never want to ride urethane on this board’s front truck again, and have not.

This deck has at least 3k miles on it since I electrifyied it, and always flexy, has gotten more so.

I never knew what to call it. and was just calling it my long cruiser.

but today looking at it on the workbench, I was struck how much it looks like a fish.
A small Fish.
A guppy.

So from here, it shall be called the Rolling Guppy.

It will be continue to rebuilt and reinforced and prevented from breaking, and providing me with untold amounts of Joy, just like its foam fiberglass and Cedar big brother, patiently hanging on the garage wall, waiting for the next time I get to surf again.

Here is the original Guppy:

9’3:x 22" wide, 3 inches thick

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I filled each rail cove with 8 strands of fiberglass tow/ roving saturated with ~75 grams of epoxy

The deck also got 8 more strands 2 along the perimeter and the other 6 diagonally rail to rail. The I did the turbinado coarse brown sugar deck grip. This is before the sugar dissolving rinse.

The roadside also got 8 more strands, 4 along perimeter and 4 diagonally.

Made some 9 degree wedges on my miter saw out of Bubinga, a deep dark red heavy super dense west African hardwood.

These will rest atop some of the hardened strands, and I need to make sure the load is spread evenly, not concentrated on the hardened strands.

I am fearing that I might have reduced the flex far more than intended.

My midsize has been rolling daily on 80mm front wheels and the 90mm sleeves. I am not feeling the kicktail. My average speed is way down as is my confidence on it. That one wheelbite episode, even though I tucked shoukder and rolled and popoed back to my feet like a younger version of myself is a bit.of a wake up call.

I want the guppy rolling on the new Kendas and back on the 105m sleeves

i wanted to spread the load of the baseplate across more of the deck, or maybe I just wanted to use my Miter saw and make sawdust dust and waste time.

I added a degree of angle from the 1994 era plastic wedges that came on my gravity longboard. My front TKP truck’s wedge I had used a belt sander to add more angle, but the rear dewedge was stock angle.

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Wait, can we please get more information on this?

Apply a fairly thick layer of laminating epoxy.
Let it thicken a little bit
Sprinkle liberally with sugar.
Regular sugar for 120 grit
Coarse brown ā€˜turbinado’ raw sugar for 50- 36 grit.
Let cure fully.
Spray with hose, sugar dissolves, leaves textured epoxy.

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Lol i know these feels. I recently sold my mitre saw, over 30yrs old, had been professionally refurbished once. Was an excellent saw but most recently i’ve been doing a lot of aluminium cutting with it and it had taken quite a few beatings catching the alu sheet and slamming it around :sweat_smile:

Too many bits were broken off it and i couldn’t justify paying to have it refurbished again (I could have bought a brand new mitre saw for that cost :grimacing:).

It lived a good, honest life and did a hell of a lot of work. I am now without a mitre saw. I have owned several in my time but always came back to that trusty Makita. I wouldn’t use one enough these days to warrant buying another, and if i really need one i have access to one of my old ones that i gave to a mate.

Its an epic tool tho, i am a big fan of the mitre saw!!

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Mine is a Hitachi 10" sliding compound zomewhere around 10-12 years old. No real complaints, but I do wish the dust collection pathway was less restrictive, and there have been some tasks in the past where a 12" blade was needed.

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Rainy day, no rolling.

Screwed up my attempt to flatten where the Bubinga wedge risers will reside on the guppy.

Opened up my cordless vaccuum battery. It was advertised as 8s, but is only 7s.

It did claim 2200mah cells, and the cells within are Sunpower 18650-2500.

I have to be frugal with this battery, and not use the higher speeds as often as I otherwise would in order to finish.

Gonna remove the Sunpowers, and install Ampace JP30’s

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Had to get some longer 10-32 hardware to mount Puaida baseplate on the new, thicker Bubinga dewedge riser.

One of the new 2.80-2.50-4 Kenda K473’s had issues not wobbling on my rim, and in the initial attempt at dewobblification, I discovered my TKP Hanger from the analog Vevor mountainboard is bent slightly.

I aligned baseplates buttoned everything up, transfered enclosure and powered hanger to the newly reinforced guppy, and took it for a spin with one wobbly Kenda.

It is definitely less flexible, by 20%-25%, which is fine by me.

It felt weird after riding the midsize kicktail for 2 or 3 weeks, and I was feeling the kenda wobble through the deck, so benched it again and managed to get it mostly dewobbled with far less effort than expectdd, and pumped both Kendas to 25 PSI.

Fiona was upset at my solo test ride, so out came the chariot and we headed to the closer park and hit the rough section of asphalt, which is almost intolerable on the midsize.

I still have the worn 90mm sleeves on my hub motors, and the vibration absorption of the reinforced, less flexy guppy did not seem affected.

The Kenda’s ride very smooth, but there is a lot of tread squirm, and cornering feels and sounds weird, but I assume they need to be broken in.

I don’t know what truck with a 10mm axle I should be coveting for a flat deck and a 9 degree wedge riser. 270mm.

I am not sure how I bent the Vevor truck. It is not like I am jumping off curves or landing Airs.

I had been riding the midsize rather timidly on the meepo 540 watt motors with 90mm sleeves rarely full throttle or brakes. I had only ridden these motors on the guppy with 105mm sleeves previously. I was digging the acceleration and strong brakes on the long wheelbase of the guppy.

Had a run in with the head of the HOA, who appeared to be waiting for me as I exited the crushed shell trail this AM with Fiona in her chariot. I was informed that I had been told i was not allowed to roll the trail. I informed her I spoke with the guy who said it was OK as long as I went jogging speed or less, and stopped for pedestrians, which I had been doing.

She just started repeating herself with an even bitchier tone of voice and i tried to hide my disgust.

I loathe self important people.

I told her I heard her the first time and rolled away.

Shit ruined my day.

Fiona has been far less enthusiastic at our spot at the end of the trail lately anyway, and has been wanting to leave before I’ve been done stretching. She really hates walking the trail. She wants out of the chariot only to hunch and squat, then wants back in, and to roll, at anything faster than walking speed.

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Put the 105mm sleeves back on for rolling sessions 2&3.

Starring to really dig the Kendas as they break in.

They are very quiet, and seem pretty efficient at 25psi, but I was running my worn 8x3" cheng shins at barely 8psi, trying to get the shoulders to bear some load and reduce center wear.

I’ve not balanced them yet, but they are almost completely wobble free.

The new epoxy raw brown sugar grip is great.
Confidence inspiring.

I’m digging the lesser flex of the deck too.
The extra degree of baseplate angle up front makes it feel way more responsive, but that could also be less torsional flex with the newly laid diagonal roving strands top and bottom.

Either way, I’m digging it.

I have an old Nitecore 18650 headlamp whose main LED often cuts out. I zip tied it to the chariot’s rear and use the red LED’s, either solid or flashing.

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Cut a ride short yesterday because a rattle developed.

Pulled the tape on full size neoprene enclosure gasket to go rattle hunting, as it sounded plastic on metal to me, and nothing outside enclosure was loose.

Note to self, need more small zipties.

Nothing was loose, or responsible for the rattle, but I added some more padding and zip ties to interior roving bridges, just in case.

I then assumed the rattle had to be the 105mm sleeves on the hub motors. I was never impressed with the fit. I wrapped one layer of nashua flexfix tape around the motor’s edges, and there was at least a friction fit on the sleeves when I reinstalled them.

But the rattle was still present, and the high heat tape will likely make an ugly mess on next sleeve removal.

Everything was tight, and I was getting annoyed, but pretty sure nothing was going to cause streetface.

This morning’s roll the rattle got bad towards the end, and immediately after an expansion joint slammed the rear, it got worse.

I figured then it was slop on my new oversize Bubinga wedge risers, even though it sounded more plastic on metal. The hardware was tight and tightening it more had made no difference.

So I made Neoprene gaskets for between wedge riser and deck, and baseplate and riser. Tightened the hardware slowly in stages to compress the neoprene evenly. Took 3/8" wrench with me on the test ride and…

No more rattle.

Sought out the rattle road, and no more rattle.

Yeehaw.

The Kenda k473’s ride so nice. Love how quiet everything is now.

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My front TKP truck’s 270mm hanger appears bent, though I don’t know how that could have occurred, I am not jumping nor did I run it into anything with enough force to bend it.

If it bent just from my rather timid usage of it, that scared me enough to make a hasty and poor purchase, of a used MBS colt 90 constellation, basically for the TKP trucks with 12mm axles. The MBS tires did not look worn in the pictures, nor did it look dirty. I figured very little usage.

I forgot Rockstar2s are smaller than the hubs my Vevor MTB came with, and which have no issues with 2.80/2.50-4, 8x8ā€ turfs, and even 3.50/4.10-4 tires.

I was too late to cancel the order after finding out about @Venom121212 issues with these ATS12 trucks, ( cast aluminum hanger Pivot snapped off) and it arrived yesterday.

I removed a hanger and placed a rim flat side down on the table, and grabbing the other wheel and can move the hanger around the 12mm Axle by pushing down on one side of the rim.

It appears these hangers too are bent, but bent the Exact same amount as each other, and my Vevor truck too.

So do they intentionally add negative camber to these hangers?

It seems so unlikely that both these ATS12 hangers are bent, and bent the same exact amount, and the same amount as my Vevor truck which has many visual features in common.

The MBS 200x50 tires look to be the stock and originals, and are barely worn at all.

I can see no marks on the hangers like it ever hit any rocks. The MBS deck itself looks like it got wet and there are front to back parallel splits in the outer veneer, but the whole board looks to have very little usage overall

The ATS hanger fit my Vevor baseplate, and I pumped the tires to 25PSI and they did not seem to lose any air overnight, and took a test roll on asphalt this AM, and No me gusta, these tires anyway.

I have become used to the Kenda k473, their height, and the angle they put my deck at with rear hub motors, and the corresponding angles, and an aggressive offroad tread is not beneficial to my usage, and 200x50’s just look and feel too small after becoming used to 8x3ā€ turf tires, and now the 2.80/2.50-4 Kenda Cadillac tires

I immediately put my old Vevor hanger and Kenda’s back on and went for a roll with Fiona.

It appears there is No bearing spacer inside the rockstar2’s, and even if there were, I would probably need to have a different width one to put the 12mm ID bearings in my Vevor rims and use the ATS12 truck. I don’t have a lathe.

So basically at the moment I despise having made and received this ā€˜ no returns’ purchase. That money was much better spent elsewhere.

I cannot find anything to ease the regret I feel at my haste in ordering it before thinking everything through, and waiting on forum feedback.

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I’ve ridden bent hangers for YEARS without issue, including today. I’ve also had hangers snap on me during use, and they were NOT bent. So the connection between ā€œbentā€ and ā€œunsafeā€ might be a little more blurry than you think it is. This is only my experience, and everyone is responsible for their own safety.

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Rockstar spacers can be purchased through mbs but you don’t really need them if they’re not part of the drive train, just snug them up and back the nuts off just loose enough that there’s no play on the axle