Modifying prebuilt junk, in stages, to be less junk like.

The retrieved 10S submerged battery pack was down at 6.37v, 10 days ago when I put it on bricks, in back yard, under a metal bucket, and walked away.

Got an Appt with orthopedics tomorrow.
Shoulder still seems pretty well F’d up.

When google earth street viewing the location, saw a guy flipping off the camera at entrance.
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Previous to my self destructive subconscious destroying my shoulder, and my Esk8, I ordered 22 JP40 tabless cells. They were very late in shipping, and when Austin emailed me asking if I wanted JP40’s or the supposedly cooler running AM04’s I said neither, and he graciously refunded me.

I drained my Dmegc 10s2p pack to 36v for storage, via a bucker.

Most all esk8 and related parts are organized, but not yet put into the
‘I’ve given up hope of ever riding again’ box.

I really miss it, So does Fiona.
Walking sucks.

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Amen brother

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The hyper caffeinated Ortho basically dismissed the severity of my dislocation, and concerns, in the 245 seconds he spent in the exam room, which was apparently 5 more seconds than he allotted on spending.

I walked out with some generic shoulder stretching and strengthening exercises, and I took some photos of the Xrays taken at emergency room two weeks ago, and 170$ poorer.

Dislocated:

Relocated:

Apparently, at my age(53), the risk of a tear of rotator cuff on dislocation, is less than that of a younger person.
Also, the chance of repeated future dislocations is also less. He made no call for an MRI or anything before disappearing in a cloud of smoke behind a slammed door.

I think I already have everything to re populate my original enclosure, to power the Inboard M1 hub motors.

Hopefully, I can get the Fsesc6.6 mini powering them properly.
Fitting dual OG Focboxes on the heatsink is possible, but would be very tight, and a lot more work.

I’m not gonna ride again until the chariot can be towed without pain, and I’m not gonna build out enclosure until hand and arm stop tingling and regain some strength.

The mini build is on indefinite Hold.

Will have to build another 10s1p battery for it. It was gonna get the Inboard hub motors too. I have some other’350 watt’ hub motors that have some life left in them, but I gotta heal, and make one functioning board first.

Edit…
Just got bill from my emergency room visit.
6,529$.

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Hope speed run doctor was correct in the assessment, would be nice. That bill is insane though, definitely negotiate. I’ll resist my urge to rant about US healthcare and it’s many failings…

Have you put any thought into a tow hitch like connection for the chariot? Might be a little nicer on the shoulder as well as some other benefits. The kid puller rafaelinmissouri put together and a dog cart one of the local guys did here in the pnw seemed like viable methods. I rode around in one at one of our build days that used a 7/8 bolt loose in a torch cut steel plate (or was it tube steel?) attached like an anti-sink plate.

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Another method for attaching trailers is an inverted TKP baseplate. The kingpin and angle are almost perfect for the pin-held hitches some bike trailers use.

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Some things I really liked about my existing chariot method, was I could brake to a stop, let Fiona out, quickly put the esk8 into it and then not have to carry it through or to the parks. I could even put Fiona and the esk8 in the chariot together, and towing it was still easy peasy. Quick, no tools required, No or little tongue weight, and the 12" tall 3" wide hand truck tires laughed at bumps.

We’ve been walking to , and driving to the crushed shell trail.
Fiona now walks the shells super slowly, as if tender footed. She misses rolling it. We were so spoiled being able go roll the whole way, from garage to pavilion steps.

While rolling, I could move chariot left or right to avoid obstacles or just get Fiona to the side into some clean air. Also, when carving, I could significantly reduce the motion of the chariot by moving my arm accordingly. I imagine with it hooked to board, one would need to avoid or at least minimize any such movements.

When I’d return, putting esk8 on work bench and tilting chariot back, handle high against wall, and closing the garage door behind me coulx be done in 15 seconds.

So if the shoulder allows, I want to stick with my current system, but will adapt accordingly, if I feel I can even risk Esk8’ing again.

Once, i just pulled a large S hook from.pocket, hooked it on handle and put it on my waistband to walk the shell trail which was also very viable and had me thinking about a shoulder strap and a handle which would hug my hip a bit better.

The goal is to be able to paddle the kayak again, and the kayak’s front handle is basically the key to that whole system re-working, with Fiona in rear well as a counterweight balancing it nearly perfectly. The chariot design was developed around the kayak’s front handle.

Pre chariot, we’d sometimes just cruise the neighborhood with her in the kayak, with no paddle or intent to go to the water. That was pre pneumatics or ball bearings on chariot cart. She just loved it so much. She goes upto the chariot often now, and sits next to it, looks at me and wags her tail, breaking my heart.

The Hospital bill is ridiculous. I got a separate bill from radiology that is 1/10 the price of what ‘radiological services’ are listed on in the hospital bill, as if the person writing up the bill was like ok this was 237$, lets just add a zero to that and add 350$ more and round it up to 2750$ for 5 x rays.
Such bullshit, so damn enraging.

I will negotiate, and if they don’t bring it way down, they will get nothing at all. Blood from stone and all. Fvck em.
Ruin my credit?.. What credit?

Never borrowed money in my life, and am not starting now.

The shoulder is slowly improving. I’m doing all stretches and exercises, probably a bit prematurely. Arm strength while doing internal or external rotation and abduction is pathetically low, as is the range of movement, without pain, but I can at least cut a tomato again, though the knife better be sharp.

The degree of rotator cuff damage is unknown, but I know surgery is simply not an option, and not only for financial reasons.

I still got esk8 on the brain, but I could be done. Time will tell.

If I am not done, I think I got to step down my desires, part of which is building something that could be considered somewhat respectable here on the forum

I loved the silence, and maintenance free reliability of my hub motors. They’d get me going faster than I needed, even on 10s with an Ebay Lingyi, even towing Fiona, though I’d love more torque. The range with only 187 watt hours was rarely a factor either, here in flat Florida, and I have methods of modular range extension on the table too.

The long baltic birch deck behind back foot would soak up so much road vibration, and the offroad ability was surprising, with the turf tires up front, and it was surprisingly nimble too.

I’m not concerned with how odd it looks with 8x3" turfs up front and 90mm hubs motors in rear. Its capability for my needs was more than adequate.

If shoulder cooperates. I might just pursue the higher wattage Meepo 105mm hub motors, or the backfire ranger larger hub motors, and give up thoughts of 4 pneumatics and belt or gear or chain drive, and a huge battery.

I’ve still got battery on the brain. I was really looking Forward to building a 10s2p of JP40’s/Am04’s. Seeing as how the 10s1p of P42a significantly outtorqued 10s2p of dmegc 18650’s.

I imagine the significantly less voltage sag of ‘tabless’ cells would yield considerably more torque, and Vescing it vs the ebay Lingyi should also up the torque to more than adequate levels for my needs.

Anyway, my 8x3 turf tires floating ability made my board rescuable, for which I am thankful. I doubt even if i went B264 levels of waterproofedness of my enclosure , whether internals could have survived submersion. The hub motors drug the stern instantly to the oyster bed below.

My new underwater avatar is a self reminder to be thankful, rather than be intentionally representative of my state of mind, though admittedly, it has been accurate.

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your my hero man! Tell me how fiona is doing. you walking around is got to be good for you :stuck_out_tongue:

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I view adulation and compliments, the same as I do lawn darts.

Prefer to be the hurler thereof, or just way outta range.

Fiona needs a hair cut. Grooming her leftie is awkward, and i do not trust myself to cut her fur from out in front of her eyes, safely.

So she can’t see the ball and bats it, kittenlike, under the nearest desk or couch, then tries to extract it, sending to opposite side of room, but not being able to hear it roll, or see it through too much fur, will just starts grunting at it until i extract it with a cane handle and a flashlight on hands and knees.

Shoulder slowly regaining range of movement, but a long long ways to go.

Still some hand tinglyness and loss of dexterity.

Have new shoulder ‘trench’ on bed, and can find one semi comfortable position on left side, in which to try and sleep a smidge better.

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Today registers 4 weeks after right shoulder anterior dislocation.

If I were to fall forward at this point, rather than use either hand to slow myself and protect my head, I think I’d just rather just tuck my chin and take the impact with my nise and forehead, instead of risking another shoulder dislocation.

My left shoulder is not happy with the additional workload, and had started acting up several months ago. Throwing the ball for Fiona lefty has had a few click crunch snap pain events occur. So light underhanded lefty throws are the new normal. Unideal. She humors me pretending to be thrilled, awesome dog that she is. She does not like placing the ball in my left hand though, has to be the right.

I’ve been doing all sorts of stretching and strengthening exercises often, but range of movement is limited by pain and strength is simply pitiful. As in I could not hold my phone in left hand, and insert USB C charge cable with right hand without sharp pain, until a few days ago.

A 2" spring clamp in left hand, 10 repetitions full range no problem. Right hand i can get about 3 half range reps in and by number 10, barely move it.

Sleeping well, is still difficult. Sometimes it just starts throbbing like a red hot poker deep in the socket and down my right bicep. I tried sleeping in a recliner, but that only ever worked when an excess of alcohol was involved. Alcohol now helps surprisingly well with the pain, while awake, but sleep becomes impossible, so Ive been avoiding it. Take naproxen sodium for.pain, but don’t like to. No opoids.

My bed’s shoulder trench, pulling mattress from wall, stacking several pillows on box spring helps to sleep on either side with body weight on rib cage instead of shoulder helps. The pillows under my head need a specific height and density and a lot of tweaking of arm position is required in order to find a location where the pain is tolerable, briefly. Usually I awake to sharp pains which magnify when i use my left hand to pull right hand out of trench, then try another position in which to try and drift off.

I saw one shoulder video, with a PT, and a guy with a similar build to my own who dislocated his shoulder sliding into second base. Very similar motion to how I dislocated mine, force wise. One of the stretches he showed, felt really good, and when I looked in the mirror while doing this particular stretch I could see how I was unintentionally still hunching my shoulder, how asymmetrical it was.

Other stretches and exercises that I had been doing mirrorless, when done in front of mirror, revealed the same, and when I levelled out my shoulders and tried to keep everything symmetrical, I was shocked at how difficult it was, with right arm hunching and trying to hide and protect itself.

When I force symmetry, and flex, there is still good muscle around the shoulder, not atrophied, yet, and in some ways my right shoulder looks fitter than my left does. But I cant lift right arm very high.

Anyway this attempt at forced symmetry during stretches and mild Rotator cuff exercises in front of the mirror is something i should have been doing much earlier, as both range of movement and strength and pain when sleeping has all improved since.

Before the mirror, the motions would cause my right arm and hand to get extra tingly and partially numb and has improved greatly since.

Regarding nerve damage, lifting my arm straight in front of me has been weird, as the signal from brain was simply not registering, which was incredibly alarming and depressing.
I’ve been trying to train my brain to find a different method to activate that muscle, with some painful success.

I can’t help but wonder how much more likely this djslocation was, due to not kayaking, since Hurricane Debby flooded inland, and water quality turned to literal Shit, which nearly Killed Fiona with a Vibrio Vilnificus mammary gland infection.

I gained 10 lbs or so, and no doubt my shoulder fitness declined without paddling 7+ miles a week.

So I am a bit annoyed at myself for not continuing the stretch routine I had going. Previous to Hurricane Milton damaging it , I’d tow Fiona in her chariot to the Pavillion and if solo, do a whole bunch of stretches, and crunches, and pushups while there.

Since some Floridiot rolled on teak oil so thick that it it never dried, and was so sticky and sticky, I stopped going there and did not keep up with the routine.

We started rolling to the far park and neighborhood instead. One section near the water in that far neighborhood, is where I wound up destroying my skate and my shoulder. If that Floridiot asshole who rolled on the damn teak oil so thick that it would never dry, on wood that never needs such treatment, never did so…

It still is super stinky and sticky, 2.5 months after application. Still unpleasant to be there unless it is windy, to dilute the chemical smell.

Anyway, I’ve not even looked at my esk8 stuff. I miss barking up the hood with Fiona so much and being able to get out of the house and make a 20mph breeze.

I think I’ve regained enough dexterity with my right hand that I can solder again.

I did manage to trim Fiona’s fur around her eyes and ears today, as well as my own hair. My shoulder muscles get so tired so quickly doing these minor tasks, but a week ago I could not even do these tasks.

I’ve gotten several more medical bills in the mail.
Apparently 3 different outfits Ive never heard of are deciding I owe them hundreds of dollars regarding my X rays, on top of the 2740 dollars for X rays from the hospital itself.

Lots of emails too saying confirm this or that.
Trying to ignore it all, and just heal.

Fuck the Max profit medical system in this country.

I should have just gotten drunk and googled how to reduce an Anterior dislocation by myself, and bought a sling. My shoulder would still be just as fucked but at least I’d not be 8k$ in debt.

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Shoulder range of movement, pain, and strength continue to very slowly improve, and I can also sleep somewhat more soundly, at least not wake up multiple times per night with red hot poker in digging deep into armpit through bicep and humerus.

Nice and cool here today, and Fiona and I slowly walked to where we used to roll quickly, barking and laughing at all those other dogs and their humans who had to walk. The crushed shell trail is tough on her paw pads, judging by how slow she walks them now. If the mosquitoes or heat were a factor no way could either of us handle it. The esk8 made it so easy to get there or bail. Now its a hour+ long ordeal to walk the 2.5 miles round trip that we once rolled in a few minutes.

Ive no idea if paddling a kayak or surfboard will ever happen again, but Towing the chariot behind an esk8 should be possible in a few more weeks, I hope.

I’d love to have a fully pneumatic torque and range beast, but all I need, is what I had before, a Hub motored board capable of pushing us across the crushed shell trail, and I should be OK with even less power and top speed.

Some good news, is I basically have everything needed to achieve this, thanks to Evwan, arzamenable and trancejunkie.

My 10s2p of 15 amp Dmegc cells still has good capacity, and p group balance is always 30mv or less. Yes, it gets too hot on hot days, but it is winter, and I am eager to build a better battery with quality cells once I can sort out the ridiculous medical bills.

I can use the 80mm inboard hub motors Arza sent, power them with the FSesc6.6mini, and I have a VX1. Hopefully My skill issues with VESC will not stymie these efforts. The first enclosure’s heatsink will not easily accept two of the 4 OG focboxes I have, but It will if it has to.

I have extra 80mm sleeves For the M1 hub motors…How well the softer 80mm urethane deals with the crushed shell trail compared to harder duro 90mm Puaida’s is a guess, But I’d be more than happy to be able to roll to the trail head, and walk it, at this point.

I can’t park my ugly van in this neighborhood, and can’t always escape the alzheimmered nuthouse with dad’s car. And Fiona often will refuse to go for a longer walk, but rarely refused a chariot ride. The esk8 and chariot was such the freedom machine. I/we miss it so much.

Before ruining my shoulder, I had sanded the chariot’s basket and epoxied and screwed it back together. The basket platform and fork and handle were refined, but not yet epoxied together. So I need to finish that, then paint everything with epoxy to make it purdy strong and weatherproof.

The mini/grocery getter build was suppsed to get the 10s1p p42a which got submerged, and the M1 hub motors, so that build is on indefinite hold. Its super narrow stance, and a shoulder which might all too easily dislocate again if i fall on it might mean it is a no go entirely.

All but one of my esk8 falls were backwards on the kicktails, and one was from shjtty locking up brakes at low speed, where i was able to tuck and roll with no damage. Never fell from the long cruiser, only fell after it, diving to save it from a watery demise.

The shoulder, while improving, is still a major hindrance to everything. Grooming Fiona or cutting vegetables and cooking for the family, has it get so tired so quickly, then it starts to really hurt when I try and push through and finish. I hate feeling so weak, and not knowing the true extent of the damage, nor how much strength will be possible to regain.

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Awesome to hear that some good folks are looking out for you and that the potential to ride again is looking better.

Hoping things start looking up even more, and sooner :pray:

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maybe we can get her some dog shoes?

walking is good lowers bloodpressure :joy:

Not sure she’d tolerate dog shoes or baby socks. She hates her footies being touched. Brushing them or trimming her nails is a difficult battle, at best.

Walking a lot starts having my bunyon on right foot start clicking every step, then hurting and aching.
We wanna roll.

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I’ve seen dogs ride onewheels.

Just an idea.

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7 weeks since shoulder dislocation.

It is improving, but too slowly. Most of the tingly hand, and inside of arm numbness has abated.

It would have been great, if at week 2, when i visited orthopaedist, if he did a few tests, which would have helped discern which rotator cuff muscle was most likely torn and the degree to which it might be, and which stretches and exercises would be most beneficial to my recovery.

But apparently he had a line of coke chopped up and had to go snort it ASAP instead.

The cheesy generic shoulder exercises I left with, could be downloaded from the internet, and some of these exercises could have further torn and damaged my shoulder if I blindly followed through with them .

Some that I tried were obviously a bad idea which set me back, and made sleep that night impossible.

So diving deeply into all available information regarding shoulders in the weeks since, I suspect I have a fairly significant tears of my subscapularis, and upper biceps tendon, at the minimum.

I cannot internally rotate my hand to exert any significant force on my belly, or hold my hand behind my back and push it away from my lower back. The upper biceps tendon just aches like a SOB, especially at night, and a good night’s sleep is basically impossible because of it.

The possibility of a Bankhart lesion/torn labrum is also high. There’s all sorts of clicky poppy crunchiness, and pain moving in certain ways, especially if i let the head of the humerus meander from the Glenoid capsule, which it always tries to do, since that natural stability was destroyed and has not returned yet.

I am able to assist the arm through the full range of movement, mostly pain free, but can’t move the same full range with pain at 3.5 or less, without assistance from my ‘good’ arm.

I’d asked the hospital for an Itemized bill, and what arrived was basically the same damn thing they originally sent. No detail, just exorbitant prices.

Also been getting separate bills which might be duplicate charges, or ‘in addition to’.

If they are the latter, the the bills are closing in on 10k dollars.

I got to see what can be done about agreeing to pay a fair amount for services rendered, but 10k$ for x rays, 2 shots of hydromorphone, and a doctor to pull my elbow down and externally rotate it for 90 seconds, and a cheap sling, is damn infuriating.

Hindsight is 20/20 of course, But I wish I just started drinking, and researching how to self reduce an anterior dislocation.
Having it out of the socket for 4 hours waiting on help, while the muscles spasmed, grinding the head of the humerus, stretching and crushing the torn rotator cuff muscles further, pain level 8 of 10 that whole time, is regretful.

If I ever need to go to emergency room again, I think I’ll l just chain a cinderblock to my neck, and jump off the closest bridge instead.

This is supposedly a not for profit hospital too.
10k Dollars.
Disgusting.

ESK8 wise, all I’ve done was return my 8x3 turf tires to my rims and install new 10mm bearings, and put them on my TKP mtb truck.
I also drained my 10s2p DMEGC pack to 35.02v,.from 36v as It seems to have little to no self discharge.
The 10s1p p42a which got submerged is still on bricks, on sand under a metal bucket in backvyard.

Some days Fiona wants to walk, some days she does not. i want to walk 2+ ,miles, but allow her to set direction and pace.

We really miss rolling 10+miles a day.

I might just make my long cruiser analog again in the mean time, with b52 trucks, 80mm blood orange urethane on Zealous bearings, instead of ancient coned sector 9 wheels and completely.worn bearings I was using prior to my earliest 7s junk.

I could start repopulating the 10s2p enclosure. Bench test the m1 inboard hub motors on the FSesc 6.6 mini, or OG focboxes.

Before the dislocation, I was fully intending on a respectable build, exploring further, faster smoother safer.

Now I’d be happy just to have my 11mph 99$ 7s single hub motor shorty back, in order to not have to walk.

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8.5 weeks since shoulder dislocation. Long long ways to go, but I am regaining some usable function in the arm.

Trying to be positive, but not always feeling it.

I have glued Fiona’s Chariot base together in several stages. Previously, it was just screwed together with 3.5" deck screws. Quite sturdy but they neexed a retorquing every few dozen miles.

I had planned on using laminating and thickened epoxy for this stage, but the lower portion, I got.lazy, and just used Titebond 2 wood glue, letting the cedar and plywood drink all it could before driving the screws. I tried to not let the glue inside predrilled and prethreaded recesses, as I want to back out these screws, then inject epoxy, then return screws, hydraulically forcing it into the cedar, for the overkill factor.

The Teak handle was adhered today, using epoxy. Since it will be subject to rotational forces, and I only used one screw, I added lots of mechanical tooth, to allow deeper penetration of epoxy into wood grain. Epoxy was applied and allowed to soak deep into screw holes teak endgrain and cedar, several times, then thickened with milled fiberglass powder, and time, then applied to mating surfaces, and screw threads, then screws driven home. The drilled holes should act as locking fingers to prevent rotation.

After this cures, I will further sand and shape and deweight the chariot some more.

I intend to add epoxy saturated unidirctional fiberglass tow/roving, as lashing, to further strengthen the joints.

Not sure if or when Ill be able to use this again behind an esk8 again, but that is the goal.
If shoulder says no, I can still use it as wheelbarrow when spreading bags of mulch and such around property. I can push a mower OK.

Might try to learn to ride switchfoot, hold handle fromthe ‘good’ shoulder’s hand instead.

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Riding switch definitely takes a good amount of practice but in your case I’d say it is super worthwhile!

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Switchfoot is certainly awkward.
The shoulder can likely handle towing, handle at hip height, it is just If i fall, and have to put a hand down, I am petrified of another dislocation, and learning to esk8 switchfoot could be a bad idea for this reason.

I don’t intend on riding aggressively anymore, I just want to be able to roll to the park with Fiona, instead of walking, or driving, or just not going, because walking, we often get too hot, and driving sucks.

I partially disassembled my salt water submerged 10s1p P42a today.

I mostly wanted to see how the copper nickel sandwich welds held up, and remove and later reuse the plastic Anderson powerpole housing.

I’d left it outside on bricks, under a metal bucket, bms still connected.

It read -277.3 mV.

Lots of white powder near all solder joints.
The fishpaper is still damp.

The Tesa tape looked perfect.
The copper & nickel strips looked corrosion free, to my surprise but i didnt tear everything apart. expected to see brocolli growing

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It really is goofy as heck

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100%

I spent a good amount of time teaching myself to ride switch last year, and I can say it was a hell of a lot easier on electric than it was on the push board, especially at low speed/low manouvering.

You got this!

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