They mentioned above providing the connectors for sale
Hot take but not hating (this is awesome and seems overdue glad to see this product). But a vesc base esc and gear drives that are compatible with other trucks would really be sweet. Feel like this would expand your diy sales. Also the vesc base esc would give more options for people who want to upgrade in the future.
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Avoiding vesc is definitely a better business decision both from a reliability and a support standpoint
The gear drives can be made compatible with other trucks using adapters, so I think any truck manufacturer who wants to make them compatible will be able to. Also, in the past, MBS has been pretty open about sharing dimensions, so I think mfgs will have a good opportunity
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I understand your point. Not saying your wrong. Just personally if i was spending in that price range i would not want a proprietary esc. I dont think the pros out way the cons. Also not disclosing the cells being used is not a great move at that price point. But still really glad to see this product. I feel like they would sell alot of gear drives if they provided the adapters. But that is a long shot.
Also i dont think there is any data to back up that brands that sell their completes with vesc based escs have more issues with customer service then brands that use proprietary escs. But i could be wrong.
Why do you think BKB switched to LY? Hoyt had a HUGE failure rate until they switched to makerx, and I’m not sure about Lacroix but still. You can have a reliable board, but when it comes to a customer messing something up, replacing a HW esc is much easier.
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Money and because “Users didn’t utilize the possibilities of vesc”
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That deck looks perfect. One of my builds is on your Warren III with Trampa wings hacked onto it. The threaded inserts, 11" width and longer wheel base on the Agent deck address all of the minor issues I have with the Warren. Being 6’3", the extra length is appreciated. I’ll be ordering one as soon as available for a chain drive build.
Any plans to eventually release a higher reduction option for the gear drive? Something in the realm of 1:5 or higher would be awesome.
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Happy to hear you like the AGENT Deck specs. I’m very used to my Warren III ad love it, but I must say, stepping onto the 11" wide AGENT feels good!
We have 13T and 17T gears coming in the next shipment (early 2025). 13:64 gets you to 4.92. 17T will just be for people wanting to use smaller wheels.
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Thank you so much for your guidance on this @glyphiks !!! Seriously, we couldn’t haven’t done it without you. Or at least, we couldn’t have done it right! 
We owe you!
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Seems like Al is pushing an agenda.
• Does diy (Even wins build of the year)
• Stops diy
• Buys prebuilt
• Helps develop new prebuilt.
Al wants to destroy the DIY market!!!
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This is such good feedback @Dinnye .
I agree with what you’re saying and will look at making improvements to future F5X baseplate versions to accommodate some of this. The multiple positions on for toe-side adjuster straps (inner ladders) is a great idea. I had considered that at the time and decided against to keep it simple, but now I wonder…
BTW, the alternative to accomplish almost the same thing is to use the slots in the 4-hole disc to shift the whole binding close to the heel side of the deck which is essentially what you’re doing with your bindings. I mean, those slots in the disc can be oriented either way, horizontally for fine tuning stance width, or vertically for fine tuning where the strap sits on your foot (what you’re talking about). I still think multiple strap mounting points is a good call for a future model though…
Yes, planning to release the empty quick-sway AGENT battery box at some point.
VESC mod - as mentioned by some. Should be easy. We’ll be selling connectors (battery, motors,…) separately to help with that. But our battery is 18S. Not sure which VESC based ESCs can handle 18S. Hopefully heaps! If not now, then maybe in the future?
Alternative Remote Options - very good point. This is so personal. I can see why people want to stick with the ones they already know and love. VESC mod satisfies that I guess.
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Cells are Molicel P42A for both batteries. Still making updates to the website regarding specs we’ve forgotten to add and what not. That’s one of them. We’ll add it today.
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Main ones are SKP Solo and Makerx D100s that we use. Solos probs would need custom aftermarket esc box.
Tronic and lilfocer are also available but they’re huge
Speaking for two brands that sold completes with VESCs (Hoyt and Metroboard) I would say that MBS absolutely made the right decision to avoid VESC.
We had the conversation about ditching VESC pretty much every week. The only reason we stuck with it and pushed through all the bullshit was because there was not a viable alternative without taking a huge step down in power. If Joel found a viable alternative that can push enough power for a serious off-road board, then I’m glad he is exploring it.
I would personally be curious to know more about the ESC they’re using, more detailed specs, etc. Hopefully we get that information soon.
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Haha. Al’s advice was about how to offer a complete and still be as DIY friendly as possible. And also, how to make a board that lasts the test of time.
The proprietary ESC was our decision 100%. It’s a tough one, but as mentioned above, we consider it critical for us to offer the type of support required to maintain the reputation of the brand we’ve built over the past 30 years. Non-DIY people need to feel comfortable that what they’re buying is fool proof and is going to do what it’s supposed to do from day 1 to day n, regardless of what setting they might accidentally tweak. DIY people can just… DIY. Change whatever component they want, ESC included.
I know comment is just in jest, so I won’t go too hard on this… but the time, energy, passion, resources,… Al has put into this community should be borderline sacred. He’s like the patron saint of DIY in my opinion. I have a GLYPHICS shrine here in my office. Please forgive the rant. Religion is always a touchy subject 
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Cool. Thanks!
We’ll give some more specs at some point. But the main point is that it’s 18S x 100A. So 7.6kW max. I’m not sure what power you guys use, but from my experience, I can’t really imagine needing more on a 2WD board. It’s f’n fast AND torquey.
I’m sure there are people that do need more (race situations), but that’s where DIY comes in. For this AGENT project, if it’s enough for our pro team, it’s enough for our customers, and that’s the main thing for this project.
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Was thinking it’d be cool to do some standardized acceleration tests like 0-60 in XX sec. I guess with a standardized rider weight of 100kg? Supplemented with weights if rider less? Anyone doing this?
So far, the only result I’ve gotten has been “zero to on my ass” in 0.2sec.
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My standardized test that I use for all review boards is 0-20mph and 100m sprint (this is only the acceleration part). I have a whole chart in all of my review videos that I add to with each review board. See below a screenshot from my N3 review:
These times are all from Dragy, which should be quite accurate, and are tested on the same road & grade. There is also the 0-20 records thread where a lot of people have shared how quick their board is. However, that’s mostly for flexing on peasants and 99% of all production boards wouldn’t even make it on the leaderboard at all lol
I’m trying to get this data built into my website for easier viewer access but I haven’t gotten around to it. (if anyone knows a software engineer or web designer that could make a really cool visualization for this, I would love to be connected with them)
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