I’m with that👍
thank you. we’ll use this as the demarcation point
so to recap:
This curved surface line looked like a crack. but @rafaelinmissouri buffed out the middle of it demonstrating that it is not a crack:
And this straight line did not buff out but it seems to corespond with the part line.
@BluPenguin posted this picture illustrating the straight shaded lines corresponding to the part lines
@pkasanda, @rafaelinmissouri and @BluPenguin seemed to agree concerning these three images.
For comparison, the black cloud wheels cracks looked like this (picture taken with iphone–not a microscope).
@rafaelinmissouri is going to continue to ride and look for any changes at what we believe to be a polished part line.
@pkasanda suggested removing the bearing to inspect the interior of the polished part line.
@pkasanda asked @hide if he thought it might be possible to polish or sandblast the mold to give it a dimpled finish.
@rafaelinmissouri can you put some other type of Core under a microscope. Orangutang? Torqueboards. I’m just curious if every product looks like it is covered in cracks when put under a microscope.
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Yep. I meant to do that with my abecs I put a bunch of miles on. Will need a couple days… Trying to build a battery…
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I think TB and Orange won’t have micro cracks that are visible siince my guess is they are sandblasted or something when made. This is just going off the assumption that Labeda does that to their wheels though.
Yes! All we ever wanted was proof.
That’s what people in this thread are trying to achieve through our own testing and pictures (I say our because I have both the old and new cloudwheels that I am personally riding on).
I have about 50km on my old, non-yet-cracked cloudwheels. I’m a heavy guy at 6’7", 250lbs.
My new discovery wheels will arrive tomorrow or Monday. Unless I start to see cracks, I won’t be posting any pictures. But you can be sure that I will be posting then if/when I do see them, for the community.
We’re all open-minded. If there are failing wheel cores out there, we all want to know. Who wouldn’t want that?
What we need is PROOF. This thread is dedicated finding that proof.
Saying “Trust me, I know, and if you don’t wanna believe me, then you’re closed-minded” without posting any kind of proof is foolish. But sure, NDAs, etc etc.
P.S. Santa is real. You haven’t seen him, but you choose to believe that he isn’t instead of remaining open-minded.
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This won’t work since no one’s going to go up 50+ post later just to see if you didn’t post. The best method of this kind of thing is like this:
Take a picture of the wheel core as soon as they come out, before anything even goes in. That will be the comparison picture so we can reference back to them in case new “lines” appear.
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Question for the group in general.
To what degree do you think that the surface appearance of the material will cause or facilitate confusion. I think it would be extremely worthwhile to sandblast or dimple the mold so that surface scratches don’t project the illusion of cracks. @Hide seems a little reluctant to address the possibility of resurfacing the mold.
What do others think about this topic. I’m not suggesting the product needs to change to satisfy the most vocal critic. I’m asking how you think the average consumer for this type of product would react to the projections and shadows that resemble cracks.
Thoughts?
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Sure, with the first core debacle I don’t know why they didn’t make sure everything was perfect before anything
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Hi，pka.
have a good day.
some production processes may be hard, although I also hope to achieve perfection (maybe I can put a small Colgate in each set of wheels later,LOL)
best regards
hide weng
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so sorry,my friend.
In fact, we don’t want to see this happen. Since it has already happened, we should deal with the problem and solve it as soon as possible, right?
best regards
Hide weng
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The alternative might be to ask Dupont for a colored plastic or ask them to dye the clear plastic.
Red, orange…anything that is not black or clear.
I don’t think you should underestimate the number of unecessary complaints, warranty claims and bad PR postings that could happen if customers look at the clear plastic and see projections that look like cracks. So far these projections seem to be light interference patterns. Not everyone will come to the same conclusion.
My suggestion would be to dimple the mold and color the plastic.
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See, the difference is these wheels actually exist and have problems.
Trying to compare it to Santa is dumb😂
You know exactly what I meant. You can pretend to pick apart my joking analogy and ignore the rest of the valid points all you want. None of us are dumb.
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Well guys.
Another glorious 19 miles of pure cloud joy today.
That makes it 83 miles total.
I am afraid we have a crack now.
It goes down the bearing seat from one side to the other.
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Oh boy here we go haha
Can’t really argue against that
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Sways my suspicion that those surface defects that everyone seen earlier were actually cracks just only on the surface; and hadn’t had enough energy exerted to them yet to spread. You did get rid of most of them through polishing… but a polished turd, is still a turd.
Edit: more pics loaded. Woah the stress fractures. That camera scope is unnerving.
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Oh man. That’s a bummer. Been riding these as much as possible over the last 3-4 days. I’ll check the cores when I get home later.
Sorry, Rafael.
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Rafael, can you tell me what is the blue added in the middle of your wheel hub？
are you still used pulley same before?
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