Voyage Systems: Megan and Minnie

Right, but then there’s electric scooters and for DAVEGA at least, I’ve had more scooter than e-bike inquires. It would be nice to have one solution for all. I think a clamp would be the best.

Or, maybe it’s more critical to decide how the Megan baseplate should connect to the handlebar mount. It would be best to have a system, for which many different handlebar mounts exist so that everyone can use whatever works for their particular vehicle. GoPro mount would be one option. The 1/4 camera screw is pretty universal as well and it’s simple.

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How about the Quad Lock? It seems quite popular.

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I have tons of METR modules so this is a great advancement, however I was wondering if the SIM card module that METR has as a extra will work with minnie or not.

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Yes, both Megan and Minnie support the Metr LTE.

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I bumped to a friend today and look what he had on his truck:

He he uses this to attach a camera stick for doing 180 videos. He said the connection is super solid. If it can hold a 1 meter long camera stick, I can’t imagine how holding a display would be an issue.

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I just got my Minnie. I plug it in, no lights. The remote works for both motors. No Bluetooth connect when I scan with metr app. Is this a 5v pin problem like I read higher up in the thread?

5v and gnd only need to come from one side not both. I’d start there.

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It might be that Torqueboards ESCs have the 5v issue. Minnie should blink with all LEDs on startup. Try taking 5V from another source (UART or PPM).

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Yes, iirc tb6 also have 5v pin not supplying stable 5v issue

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No one ever mentions this when they rave about the TB6 lol

Good mosfets mean nothing if the rest of the ESC doesn’t work lol

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I spent some time on the handlebar mount. Here’s what I came up with so far. The idea is to have a general purpose baseplate that could get attached to pretty much anything. For a quick setup one could use this simple inexpensive camera mount:

That one would attach to this part of the baseplate:

The recess would prevent any unwanted rotation. The cross shape allows 90 degree rotation.

There are also four new M3 holes that could either be used for custom solutions or one could 3D print and attach this Quad Lock adapter:

Here’s how my test print came out:

The camera mount feels very solid, even in combination with the 3D printed baseplate.

I don’t have any Quad Lock holder on hand so I haven’t been able to test that one yet. One is in the mail already though so will hopefully test soon.

One issue with the camera mount is that the screw is a bit too long:

It’s not a major issue. It still wouldn’t collide with anything inside the Megan housing. It just looks ugly. This is just a grub screw though and it’s easy to replace for a shorter one – if one can find it. This is a 1/4"-20 UNC thread. Not so easy to find in the EU (though it does exist).

Any comments or suggestions would be much appreciated.

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You could make the plate thicker for more thread engagement, but seems pretty good otherwise. Maybe some more holes, like M4 or M5 in a square pattern for custom solutions would be nice?

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If I were to source a Beitian BK-182 for racing, would it just use the same existing plug/socket? Are any additional setups needed to get 25Hz gps on the Minnie? Would I get much less ride time storage? Also can the Minnie be bought without the GPS module?

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Yes. They keep changing the cables though so make sure the cable you got with the GPS module connects the pins correctly. You may need to repin the cable. Minnie GPS pins are clearly labeled:

No. It will work out of the box.

No. But you won’t get 25 Hz logs either. Let me explain how logging works.

A single data point consists of the data from all VESCs and from the GPS. The data is collected asynchronously. On a time line it may look something like this:

  • GPS packet 1 received
  • GPS packet 2 received
  • VESC packet 1 received
  • GPS packet 3 received
  • VESC packet 2 received
  • GPS packet 4 received
  • GPS packet 5 received
  • VESC packet 3 received

Now, we log anytime we receive a VESC packet and we associate it with the latest GPS packet. So in the example above, the log would contain:

  • VESC p1, GPS p2
  • VESC p2, GPS p3
  • VESC p3, GPS p5

The GPS p1 and p4 would be dropped.

The VESC data logging frequency is the constraining factor. This frequency depends on how many VESCs there are in the system (“VESC p1” would actually be the data from all VESCs). If I remember correctly, the best we were able to do in our tests was around 10 Hz.

So even if you have a 25 Hz GPS, Minnie currently won’t be able to log all the 25 GPS data points per second.

Also, there are 3 fidelity modes – high, normal, low. With high, we log everything as quickly as possible. With normal and low we drop some data points to save space. This can be easily changed in the Metr app. You will obviously want high if you’re after the highest possible resolution.

Not at the moment but we can allow it if there’s interest.

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Are there 3D files available anywhere for the MEGAN/baseplate?
I’m finishing up a pretty non-standard board build right now, and want to add a MEGAN to it when y’all open sales. I need to drill new mounting holes, and would ideally like to do this before I button everything up…and a 3D printed baseplate model would be the perfect way to do this.

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Here you go:
megan-base-plate-v12.stp (132.5 KB)

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Would it be possible to log VESC and GPS packets separately? So instead of writing like

vesc P1, GPS p2
vesc p2, GPS p3
Vesc p3, gps p5

It would be

Time t1, gps p1, _
Time t2, gps p2, _
Time t3, gps p3, vesc p1
Time t4, gps p4, _
Time t5, gps p5, vesc p2

The aim is to have a high resolution GPS log for better speed tracking. Not sure if that would be too high a data rate or much of a real improvement over 4hz, I haven’t used any formal databases beyond just “read and dump the contents of a serial port”

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Of course it’s possible but it creates a special case that then needs to be handled downstream. You need a new config option for enabling this special logging mode. And then how do you even name it and how do you make it comprehensible for users. It’s all doable but nowhere near a 5 minute job.

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FYI - Minnie is plug-and-play on the Maker X D100s. This has to be the easiest device I’ve ever installed on my board.

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On a single D100s I also experienced ease of use. On two different story, but not due to Minnie itself.

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