Trampa Trademark & VESC Tool Discussions (serious)

yongitech · September 9, 2020, 2:28pm

OK, I will modify and build my own brand as soon as possible.
Thanks again.

Trampa · September 9, 2020, 2:32pm

Then please make sure to distribute it together with the GPL V3 and make sure that we get access to the source code. Same thing for the hardware / ESCs. ESCs have the open source firmware installed on the chips and therefore you distribute software when you distribute hardware. The user needs to know that the code is GPL V3 licensed and he needs to know where and how to access the open source code.

This is the software license: http://www.gnu.de/documents/gpl.de.html
https://www.chinasona.org/gnu/gnuv3-tc.html
https://jxself.org/translations/gpl-3.zh.shtml

frame · September 9, 2020, 2:51pm

HK side “will” “probably” “work”, but not the other country lmao, they got no law for © or ™ violation of foreign brand

Trampa · September 9, 2020, 2:54pm

They have

frame · September 9, 2020, 2:58pm

wait… what bubble wrap is TM-ed? and, Ping Pong is a American TM-ed? dafuq? I thought it was a UK thing

frame · September 9, 2020, 2:59pm

good luck with that

Trampa · September 9, 2020, 3:35pm

Are you actually selling the source code?

Vanarian · September 9, 2020, 4:54pm

Simple, polite and concise replies no matter what was thrown in the thread. I like your behavior, you seem to be a gentleman seller.

Give this man a “Gentleman approach” title!

yongitech · September 10, 2020, 12:24am

Thank you for your support.

Trampa · September 10, 2020, 7:19am

https://world.taobao.com/item/578145619989.htm?spm=a21wu.12321156-tw.0.0.48f040dcpBrpX6

You are selling for 60 USD: The original version of VESC6 Benjamin electronic controller Keil transplant enhanced version (source code part-hardware V6-firmware 5.01)

We call this software piracy! The original version is distributed by Vedder himself. And it is available at no cost or in combination with a donation.

Where do we find the source code? Please make it available to the general public, according to the license terms. You may sell executable software under your own brand, but the sources need to be available free of charge!

yongitech · September 10, 2020, 7:30am

ok,I’ll upload to Github as soon as possible.

Trampa · September 10, 2020, 7:42am

And please stop using the VESC brand for your products and for software immediateley!
You can not use someone else’s identity as your own identity.
I can find Yong VESC controllers and Yong VESC motors, Yong VESC software.
I can find Yong O-Drive, Yong O-Drive software etc.

Did you ever ask the O-Drive developers if that is OK for them to use their identity and project identity in trade? These are people who put a lot of their time and effort into software that is usable for the general public. You profit from their hard work. Don’t mess around with their identity! It dis-encourages developers to create OS software. They want to spread knowledge and code and share all that, and in consequence they should be respected. As a business you need to lay your own brand foundations!

Focbox and Stormcore are two good example how you should handle branding and marketing. Both made use of the code, but both created their own identity / brand.

yongitech · September 10, 2020, 7:51am

I will learn from Focbox and Stormcore, which needs a process to improve.

Lee_Wright · September 10, 2020, 7:51am

Can you enforce a trademark on a description?

Vedder Electronic Speed Controler to me sounds like a way to describe an ESC that was built using Vedders schematics and designs. I dont think that’s an enforceable trademark.

It’s also widely used to describe this type of technology. I call all VESC based controllers a VESC and will continue to do so.

Plurf · September 10, 2020, 7:53am

@Trampa why don’t you start a topic about trademark instead of destroying this seller anounce thread ?

yongitech · September 10, 2020, 7:54am

based upon the VESC® -Project.
** VESC is a registered TM, owned by Benjamin Vedder.**
Will be in the instructions to join the above instructions.

yongitech · September 10, 2020, 8:01am

I suggest you start a topic about trademark.
Let everybody know.

Trampa · September 10, 2020, 8:02am

Has been done already years back. We opened a website with all information etc.

@Lee_Wright you clearly do not understand the concept of identity in trade.
It’s not even in your favour to use someone else’s identity. If you fail to build your own brands, you will never have one. And if you run a business and use the TMs as you announced to do, you expose yourself to potential trouble. On top of that you basically show the developers the middle finger.

Lee_Wright · September 10, 2020, 8:05am

Like I said, I think VESC is descriptive and is not possible to enforce a trademark on.

Trampa · September 10, 2020, 8:10am

VESC is as descriptive as BTIU or GTWE or any other 4 letters or digits.
Such things are looked at when you file a TM. And it is done multiple times (in each country).
VW = Volks Wagen
GM = General Motors
AEG
MGM
ADIDAS