What is wrong with u. YOU need to read. Show me anywhere I said molicell can be revived from 1v
I’m not “implying” anything. I specifically said I’m not ur safety patrol and read ur data sheet. Ur argument is trash.
Does it state in many data sheets u can revive a cell from 1v?
Just answer the question. It’s a simple question.
(Also maybe the burden is on you to provide proof that you aren’t just trolling soon, because it’s getting old having to explain the same stuff over and over)
All of these in response to Common_good’s p42a build with low cell voltage and recovery. they are specifically in reference and trying the help and advice they were seeking into this strange hill to die on. Your reading comprehension here is lacking, and i can’t be relied on to refeed you the conversation you just had.
if in response to the bait of referencing your previous advice to recover cells at 1v or higher in contradiction to the data sheet while claiming it was conforming to the data sheets recommendations - and instead you just bounded your advice with “some cells can be recovered from 1v, but molicel doesn’t seem to have any reference to that on their sheet “ it would have been downright helpful. But instead here we are yelling at clouds again…
Be the change you want, want people to put a higher value on your opinion and advice : give advice that is complete and not a generalization that could be easily misinterpreted. You say people should look up the spec sheet and trust the manufacturer and you aren’t the safety patrol in an affect to not have to spend a bunch of effort addressing the specific question posed… then use all that saved effort and energy to argue without adding anything to the conversation? How does that make sense if you aren’t just using this platform to satisfy your need for rage bait?
It’s not some lofty elitism - it’s just trying to make something good and helpful and bs derail arguments that don’t actually push toward better understanding and application of the gathered information make it less valuable. You are so heated about cell recovery i wish you would put some of that energy into actual testing and data collection - if you did it could really help to make saving packs that get neglected safer and more understandable. But just using anecdotal experiences and not making actual proof with data that others can scrutinize doesn’t add anything and so gets a negative response from the people here who only want to offer reliable advice.
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I’ll answer for ben even though this is just another empty unhelpful attempt to continue the argument without actually trying to find a resolution or bring more helpful information to the tabel and rely on others to refute your claims otherwise they be defaulted as facts:
Which cells hummieee? Please start a list of the ones you have found and make a resource or stop proclaiming persecution. This request is not in good faith and it falls on you to provide evidence.
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You cannot check mate a pigeon because a pigeon doesn’t understand the concept nor could it think that far ahead.
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Started a wiki but im on mobile so messed it up, start a list and help? I know you’re sitting on some you know specially are good to 1v
Ugh. Even if I write it repeatedly it doesn’t get read.
I specifically said I don’t know what cell the guy asking was using nor did I care. Go read it.
If someone else brings up charging from 1v again, out of nowhere, while trying to insult me, again, I’ll say again:
Read the data sheets and many cells, including power cells allow it. I’m not here to run through every cell’s data sheet. I’m here to pass this info on. It’s valuable in itself.
Many are salty because they didn’t know and raged that I should be banned and erased for saying so and it’s proven true with evidence.
Huh?
You’re thinking that it’s a good idea for me to spend at least hundreds of dollars and at least a year (too expensive to buy lots of testers) cycling several each of the popular cells to test 1V recovery tolerance?
Hmm…actually, I guess I can understand why you think something like that would be better for The Other Guy to do.
I would counter with this…start a fundraising effort to do this yourself and set it up to be exactly the testing you want. I’m happy to help with technical advice where I can.
Just a side note…this testing wouldn’t settle anything. You need to test hundreds of each cell and at different cutoffs and different temperatures and under different cycling conditions…thousands of cells and a couple of years for a major manufacturer to do. Otherwise we have no idea how close 1V might be to a problem threshold and what conditions are necessary for 1V to be set as a limit.
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Without testing there’s NO evidence showing it’s dangerous. It increases dendrite growth sure but so does simply cycling cells anyway. Dendrite growth is not considered dangerous in itself.
Surely cell manufacturers did this testing already or they wouldn’t put that u can do it in the data sheets.
This is what people keep calling you out on man, and you didn’t read it over and over and keep coming back to the “i said do your own research “ bs. Then you say something like this in direct contradiction and want people to just go “ha ha hummiee is a dangerous troll sometimes” and let it stand?
this presumption is wrong and absolutely indefensible. By your same logic of grabbing data off one sheet to support an argument about a different cell, the warnings against letting a cell drop below the minimum volume on various other spec sheets should be applied here to counter this statement.
Also it is assuming an electrical system designed to operate within specific parameters will perform reliably when you have altered the parameters - this is counter to general good engineering and scientific principles. If the risks were low enough that would be fine and go have fun but the risks are fires in people’s homes. Even if the risks of an occurrence are small the magnitude of the worst case demands caution.
If i gave you a revolver with one bullet to play a little russian roulette with, how man chambers does it have to have before you feel comfortable pointing it at your own head? 6 is the accepted “you’re crazy “ number - what about 1/50? 1/100? We don’t have data that says how many chambers the cell recovery gun has when exceeding the parameters dude, and you want an answer don’t you? How much money is saved by taking this risk and where does this risk end or plateau? Stop trolling
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No. I’ve said many many times now to look up the data on whatever cell you specifically are using and I’m not here to be safety patrol.
Do u need me to cut n paste it for a third time for u?!
When u find EVIDENCE that it’s not safe to recharge cells from 1v despite that specific cell data sheet saying it can… post it. Till then ur just talking and endless silly analogies.
Then stop giving advice about recovering cells from an under voltage / over discharge state. It’s irresponsible. Don’t pretend to be an expert and cosplay as helpful if you’re just here to troll
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I’m saying simply trust the data sheets. Are you saying we can’t trust the data sheets?
It doesn’t take an expert to read what the manufacturer literally says you can do.
Stop trolling. If u find some evidence conflicting with what the manufacturer states is ok THEN post. Ur posting nothing
Ad hominem, you argue just to argue without substance. You don’t address the response to your statements, you are a troll and dishonest in your debate and defense. Stop trolling
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You are.
Again, should we not trust the data sheets?
Just answer the question.
@BenjaminF
Do it. Stop running. Stop running ur mouth.
Chris, I love and respect you. Please PLEASE stop playing chess with this particular pigeon.
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Are the cell companies being irresponsible? Because I’m simply stating it’s possibly to do what they say possible.
You can’t say. Of course. Keep running.
You are being too vague to counter intentionally, it is dishonest and trolling. Make a specific statement and support it otherwise you have presented nothing and therefore there is nothing to refute.
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