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Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, but for people making packs using the sequre sw1 and maybe it also applies to malectrics, what should the max car battery CCA be? Sequre says 400-800 CCA, but I’m concerned if I use a 760 CCA that it could potentially output more and damage the welder… I’ve seen more than one post about this with the SW1. I’m looking at getting an agm interstate battery and my options are 650 or 760… Will the 650 be too little for .2 nickel?

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The better question is will the sequre be too little for 0.2, I’ve heard that they really only do consistent stuff at 0.15

Hmm, I thought it was basically a malectrics clone… Maybe I don’t know what I am looking at either, it’s possible… But Ive seen a lot reviews from all over demonstrating it and it seems to do well with .2

Motors do not ā€œpullā€ current. Motors are dumb, inert hunks of copper, iron and rare earth metals. They have no way to ā€œpullā€. Without an external regulating/controlling device, our motors will basically act like a dead short across whatever battery is applied to them, drawing hundreds of amps for a very short period of time before either destroying themselves or the battery.
The motor controller is the only ā€œsmartā€ piece in the chain - it draws power from the battery, and sends it to the motor(s). The motor gets no say in the matter. Neither does the battery.

Motor current also is not the same as battery current. The ESC effectively acts like a DC-DC converter, stepping down the battery voltage while at the same time stepping up the motor current (because P=IV) . It is entirely reasonable for the ESC to be drawing 10 amps from the battery while supplying 50 amps to each motor.

Battery current and motor current both have effects on how the board feels and performs, but they are not explicitly linked with each other.

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A local sells what’s in the picture for 30 and a few bucks,
Is it worth buying ?

*DC-AC converter

3 phase motors run on AC. Just nitpicking though, good explanation. :smiley:

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So then why are our motors called dc motors? :thinking:

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Nope, it’s pretty much junk
There was a time where sequre was soambotting the forum. Not fun.

Because You supply them with DC I believe. Also I’m not exactly sure its proper to call what the motor controller puts out AC or not. It’s essentially pulsed DC power, which in practice is a bit different from what most ac motors run on.

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The wave form on the phase wire does oscillate from negative to positive tho right? I feel like technically that’s AC even if it were a square wave? is that wrong?

( i model foc as a series of dc pulses of varying length, approximating a sign wave )

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yeah that is true, maybe it does count as AC. I guess what i really mean is that for most ā€œACā€ motors, the wave form is consistent, varying primarily in frequency, whereas in our motors frequency is fixed and duty cycle changes.

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Ughh, shit…

Another clue would be that our ā€œESCsā€ are officially known as ā€œInvertersā€, which is by definition a device that converts DC to AC. :smiley:

A power inverter, or inverter, is an electronic device or circuitry that converts DC to AC. The input voltage, output voltage and frequency, and overall power handling depend on the design of the specific device or circuitry. The inverter does not produce any power; the power is provided by the DC source.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/power-inverter

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I’ve never seen someone call them this :thinking: Maybe its just oversimplification?

BLDC motors… ā€œBrushLessDirectCurrentā€ is my understanding what BLDC means.

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Kind of a misleading name… EC-motor would be a more correct term I think.

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fair. i’m just pointing out you could see how people saying BLDC motor could be seen as people calling them DC motors, and i’m sure you’ve heard people call them BLDC.

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Yeah I get that you could short that to DC-motor, but it sounds so wrong. :smiley:

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This page for example, suggests a PMSM motor is ā€œACā€ and a BLDC is DC…

Difference between BLDC Motor and PMSM Motor.

so… i definitely have a hard time with the verbiage spread out across the net.

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