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Physicists Have Identified a Metal That Conducts Electricity But Not Heat

FIONA MACDONALD
30 NOV 2019

Researchers have identified a metal that conducts electricity without conducting heat - an incredibly useful property that defies our current understanding of how conductors work.

The metal, found in 2017, contradicts something called the Wiedemann-Franz Law, which basically states that good conductors of electricity will also be proportionally good conductors of heat, which is why things like motors and appliances get so hot when you use them regularly.

But a team in the US showed this isn’t the case for metallic vanadium dioxide (VO2) - a material that’s already well known for its strange ability to switch from a see-through insulator to a conductive metal at the temperature of 67 degrees Celsius (152 degrees Fahrenheit).

“This was a totally unexpected finding,” said lead researcher Junqiao Wu from Berkeley Lab’s Materials Sciences Division back in January 2017.

“It shows a drastic breakdown of a textbook law that has been known to be robust for conventional conductors. This discovery is of fundamental importance for understanding the basic electronic behaviour of novel conductors.”

Not only does this unexpected property change what we know about conductors, it could also be incredibly useful - the metal could one day be used to convert wasted heat from engines and appliances back into electricity, or even create better window coverings that keep buildings cool.

Researchers already knew of a handful of other materials that conduct electricity better than heat, but they only display those properties at temperatures hundreds of degrees below zero, which makes them highly impractical for any real-world applications.

Vanadium dioxide, on the other hand, is usually only a conductor at warm temperatures well above room temperature, which means it has the ability to be a lot more practical.

To uncover this bizarre property, the team looked at the way that electrons move within vanadium dioxide’s crystal lattice, as well as how much heat was being generated.

Surprisingly, they found that the thermal conductivity that could be attributed to the electrons in the material was 10 times smaller than that amount predicted by the Wiedemann-Franz Law.

The reason for this appears to be the synchronised way that the electrons move through the material.

“The electrons were moving in unison with each other, much like a fluid, instead of as individual particles like in normal metals,” said Wu.

“For electrons, heat is a random motion. Normal metals transport heat efficiently because there are so many different possible microscopic configurations that the individual electrons can jump between.”

“In contrast, the coordinated, marching-band-like motion of electrons in vanadium dioxide is detrimental to heat transfer as there are fewer configurations available for the electrons to hop randomly between,” he added.

Interestingly, when the researchers mixed the vanadium dioxide with other materials, they could ‘tune’ the amount of both electricity and heat that it could conduct - which could be incredibly useful for future applications.

For example, when the researchers added the metal tungsten to vanadium dioxide, they lowered the temperature at which the material became metallic, and also made it a better heat conductor.

That means that vanadium dioxide could help dissipate heat from a system, by only conducting heat when it hits a certain temperature. Before that it would be an insulator.

Vanadium dioxide also has the unique ability of being transparent to around 30 degrees Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit), but then reflects infrared light above 60 degrees Celsius (140 degrees Fahrenheit) while remaining transparent to visible light.

So that means it could even be used as a window coating that reduces the temperature without the need for air conditioning.

“This material could be used to help stabilise temperature,” said one of the researchers, Fan Yang.

“By tuning its thermal conductivity, the material can efficiently and automatically dissipate heat in the hot summer because it will have high thermal conductivity, but prevent heat loss in the cold winter because of its low thermal conductivity at lower temperatures.”

A lot more research needs to be done on this puzzling material before it’s commercialised further, but it’s pretty exciting that we now know these bizarre properties exist in a material at room temperature.

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Ya kidding right? Very few cells are safe without balance. Even less if you plan to bypass

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I know, I have been under that impression for a very long time myself.
Well not necessarily, most BMS’es work by just chopping off the current when the highest P-group reaches the max voltage cutoff and the same is true for the bottom end. I know that means in theory that the battery can be extremely out of wack but you wont cause any fires. the downside is that you will lose alot of capacity if they really go out wack and that really sucks. (I know I dont like it either)
however what the bestech rep said was that modern cells generally doesn’t go out of wack that much so it isn’t really a problem. I know there is million factors that contributes to that. But there are folks
here who have ran boards for years without a bms. (take whitepony for example)
for us there is a problem however when we are bypassing our bms’es, basically the VESC low voltage cut-off for one doesn’t completely kill the board and more importantly only takes into account the combined voltage, and not the lowest P-group like a bms would.

im more so interested in understanding in testing it out. ofc I will regularly check the cells and balance them if they get too out of wack.

and for example I noticed that @longhairedboy s latest masterpiece uses a non balancing bms.

and looking at bestechpowers as well as most other new bms’es popping up on alibaba and aliexpress alot of them are without balancing.

yeah i’ve been running that BMS in my own board for about six months now with no issues, and sent out a few completes with it as well. As long as the cells are good its good. I used to run 60 amp discharge protected BMSs, but regen braking triggers thier cutoffs, voltage spikes which the cells themselves have no problem absorbing. Since its the voltage spikes that cause it and not over current, using an 80 amp didn’t help. One answer of course is running ridiculously large capacity BMSs (like in a Bioboard) and lose more real estate than a Unity consumes, but i suspect those would also be subject to it under the right circumstances. The other answer is to run 5+ cells per group and and let the pack take the beating, which it will, with pleasure.

Also, the BMS i use ( HCX-D787 ) does have a cell balance / equilibrium funciton.
From the site i buy them at: https://litechpower.com/product-detail/HCX-D727LI12S15A_04.html

“4. With cell balance/equilibrium function;”

in the spec list however they have slashes in the start and end balance voltages. Not sure what that means. Yes, it could mean that thier copy is full of lies, but it could also mean that if i leave a slightly unbalanced pack on the charger over night while it sits on green that the cell groups will slowly balance.

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Yeah I don’t fully understand it either! But to me those tiny ones are something worth exploring. And the rep I talked with from bestechpower was the director/Co-founder so hopefully he knows what is talking about.

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Not correct. Using BMS is vital. Balance charging does nothing. There is always human error and there are plenty of examples on endless sphere. Dont compare cheap chinese pcm’s with proper bms systems.
You dont need high balancing current. If the cells are fresh and from reliable source. E.G. nissan leaf has bms with 60ma balancing current on 65AH cell and its sufficient.
Here is a link to some proper bms:
https://www.energusps.com/shop/product/tiny-bms-s516-150a-750a-36

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What are the reasons for using BMS over balance charging?

The only advantage I can see is that the bms has temperature protection… esc will handle LVC and I wouldn’t want to discharge through the BMS anyway

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What happens if you are lucky and one cell is gonna go oit of whack? What happens when you forget your balance charger and it fucks up taking your house? BMS monitors not only temps. All events are logged so you will catch something early if its not right. Early balancing rather than bleeding cells at the top. Your esc wont see one cell going bad in a P group draging all the cells with it below LV as pack voltage difference will be in safe brackets. You have to monitor and manage each series group on lithium, period. Whoever says its not neccessary is danger to others. Its not a toy, you have to:

  1. Use quality cells
  2. Use quality bms
  3. Build your battery properly. No soldering of the cells, insulation everywhere, sometimes double insulation. No sharp edges. Etc, etc
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This is why I am looking for a small module that will monitor individual cell voltages.

Good balance chargers display individual cell voltages and part of using a balance charger should include monitoring these voltages during use to avoid fucking anything up.

I don’t want to rely on a BMS to do those things for me, I would rather monitor them myself.

I am not in any way implying that I don’t need or want to monitor individual series groups, I would just prefer to do so without the bulk of a BMS.

The tiny BMS you posted is definitely intriguing, but too expensive to use in multiple boards, hence why I am looking at balance charging and manual series group monitoring.

Your arguments so far aren’t convincing me towards using a BMS, I still don’t see an advantage over what I am proposing.

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@Agniusm maybe you got something wrong?
A quality balance charger is equal ( I would say) even better than a charge only bms.
Because
Balance charger balance
Balance charger display each p group voltage
Balance charger don’t drain any of your p-groups till 0V if there is an error with any of the pcb components.

You say use a quality bms.
But what nowadays is a quality bms.
Bestechs bms? Not sure about that anymore.
Last year I read here about as min 8 people fucked up there packs because they where using a faulty bestech bms.

Besides this, what makes you sure your I stalled bms works how it should?
What if overcharge protection fails?
What if the bms gets so hot that it’s melding through heat shrink and short the pack, because somebody forgot fishpaper?

To come back to the balance charger doesn’t do anything argument.
How people flying drones, planes and doing all the RC stuff use only balance charger to charger there lipos and still hold there packs in balance if a balance charger wouldn’t do anything? :man_shrugging: Idk.

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Well said.

@Agniusm please let us know if we are missing something? To me, a BMS is a liability that a balance charger and a little bit of conscious effort can overcome.

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Balances chargers are good if you have the terminals exposed, but that’s not ideal if for waterproofing and keeping everything sealed.
A charge only BMS with balance works great for keeping the max voltage at 4.2 and stopping charging if one cells exceeds 4.2.
If you start off with cells balanced, even a $10 BMS does a great job at keeping them balanced.

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But what if the BMS fails?

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Why would it fail? It’s a charge only bms.

Because it is kept inside a volatile environment

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Sufficient to say that non of the automakers or laptops use balance chargers. Billions of laptops operate on bms.
Bestechpower is not bms. They make pcm’s - protection circuit module.

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What’s the actual difference between a bms and pcm?

But laptops are not subject to millions of vibrations on a daily basis…

The bms we use balance the cells at 100% state of charge (top balancing), which adds safety during charge and optimizes to fill each cell to 100%.

If any of the cells are weaker than the rest, if top balanced, when the pack is drained to near empty, the weak cells will be lower than the strong cells. Lithium ion cells have a knee in their discharge curve, where as they approach 0%, they sharply drop in voltage.

With no discharge bms, the closer you get to pack 0%, the more likely some cells are above safe minimum voltage, and some cells are below. Once they’re below, and under large loads, they will be doing many large excursions below safe minimums. This is very harmful, and may cause fire. You may not even notice, as it’ll feel like voltage sag at the end of your capacity.

This is just one of the many ways bms can save your ass.

For myself I’m slowly but surely becoming convinced I need monitoring/alerting for cell voltages, leaving plenty of margin on top and bottom. And will balance the cells manually only when needed.

An argument can be made to do bottom balancing, where you balance your pack near 0% and take care when charging not to over charge any groups (charge to 4.1v/cell for example).

Think carefully before you dismiss the safety functions of a bms.

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I have totally thought about it dude… ALOT.

As there is zero chance of me using a discharge BMS, the point you mentioned can be addressed by raising the LVC on the esc to a safer value.

And if I find my unicorn individual cell voltage monitor, I will be laughing.

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