I feel like the balancing point can be negated with a good drop in the deck to brace up against, and while you can use higher steering angles to achieve the same theorhetical turn radius on a longer deck, your MOI and therefore the handling feel of a longer setup isnt the same
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Agree! LY switch 40 had steep drop to brace off.
The Semendeed has a good drop to brace off too.
If a rear foot binding is used then this is less important of course.
Yes this too. I never achieved the same thrust on my shorter wheel base raceboard so hard to really compare but i know my 4wd racer i need that nice wide stance to stay on the thing lol
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I get what you mean. I am using a Haero bro at 0.7G lol. I am actually considering switching to a flux deck at the same time that Iāll go 4WD as it could allow a little wider stance.
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iām about to throw those on my build once i get my single stack enclosure. i like your idea of different thickness plates too. also found out that you can shorten the wheelbase by spinning the plate around
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I had my V5 custom made shorter because of that, V5 standing platform is too wide for a normal athletic stance.
Iām surprised how many of the shorter riders are okay with it.
But I guess ESK8 is different than all other board sports.
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Was your standing platform actually shorter or just the hanger brought in more towards the frame?
Also curious what your wheelbase was then
Moe cut the brace to be shorter, thereās a different owner now I forget the exact specs. But it was 2 inches shorter, imo I would have gone shorter so long you donāt plan on going over 50 mph
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I did not like it at first. but then after getting used to it getting on shorter decks didnāt like them. for balance against accel/decel reasons.
my first eboard was boosted it was also my first ālongboardā and I was like OMG WTF why is this so LONG, why do people ride longboards even WTH is wrong with them.
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Brackets that allow for small changes in wheelbase would be ideal. Reversing the baseplate is too complicated. I want a bracket with multiple sets of holes that allow for about an 1.5" of adjustment on each side. The brackets that IdeaTB make are a good example of this.
I have been thinking about making the enclosure and the area where the trucks mount one piece. This is very similar to the carbon deck/enclosures out on the market today. The deck would mount on top, hand over the edges of the enclosure and would not be a critical structural component.
I would like the deck to be flat with the ability to take wings for those who want concave. May also have two different length decks to fit different people. A shorter deck can be combined with the adjustable brackets to make a shorter board. The other option is to make a shorter version but that could get pricey. My hope is an adjustable wheelbase between 39-42".
An adjustable angle foot ramp in the rear would be nice too. I am thinking about having a pivot at the base of the ramp and a way to get 3-4 different ramp angles.
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The way i did my custom split angle brackets might be interesting to you then. Two adjustment options, bracket mounting position for wheelbase length, and truck mounting position for wheelbase length and ride height, a bit. These have something like 35-40mm of wheelbase adjustment each? Wouldnt be too difficult to combine these with an open carbon tub design for the enclosure and then a deck over top.
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I think this is an awesome idea, but the one thing I would maybe point out is that the distinction of short track vs long track is kind of a false dichotomy.
What I mean is that ālong trackā boards dominate any track, long or short.
Iām not sure I understand any scenario where a āshort track specificā board actually has an advantage over a long track board.
For example, Morgan was racing his v5 at esk8con, not his short wheelbase wood deck, because even on the esk8con āshort trackā he mentioned being several seconds faster on the v5.
Personally, Iād love to see you and the mad team develop a race specific deck. But I think youāll end up with a better race board in every scenario if you do not limit yourself initially to the idea of āshort track specificā.
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Iād also throw in the idea that going full carbon isnāt the answer. Iāve seen others struggling to find ways to mount a binding for instance on full carbon. The rigidity of carbon is nice though. So maybe a layered approach like a tomiboi deck.
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Id say a carbon frame/tub construction like the radium mach one uses, and then a wood standing platform over top?
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Just going to leave this here and walk away
A set of 3link short rods and we have a single stack enclosure that fits 12s6p or 18s4p
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Yeah that would work fine I think.
Itāll be interesting to see how this develops and if it can sway someone away from the SS at $1300 for deck/enclosure/3links.
I fully want to see more brands offering race specific setups that can be run low to the ground, have excellent maneuverability and the ability to run bindings. I think weāre about to see a lot of that with the sport gaining traction, the monsoon collab and more events happening.
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I just taught myself how to do CF layup so i might actually take a crack at this myself after i finish my current build lol. Always been obsessed with getting builds as low and sleek as possible.
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Yeah but for some reason thereās a rule that it canāt be practical outside of the racetrack
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Itās just that features that help track specific boards seem to hurt regular riding. Things like ride height and range. Everyone seems to want massive range on street boards, leading to huge packs with big enclosures that leads to the need to raise the ride height for instance.
Id take lower ride height all day for a track board even if it means less ride time.
Just like race cars vs street cars. Just different goals leading to different designs.
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Yeah, agreed. I just think the way it was stated was weird lol
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