SRB V5 #33 - a VESC 4WD build/conversion

After about 1 and a half years of good times and great racing on the previous setup, I was finding some limitations - primarily on caused by a narrow stance. Pushing through the uncomfortable stance was doable, but less than ideal. On top of this, I was getting wheel bite and burns from the rear wheel on the heel of my rear foot which affected my heel side turns quite a bit.

I’ve been extremely pleased with the 3-links and 4WD drivetrain, so my plan was to transfer this to a new platform. I did quite a bit of research for options and toyed with the idea of making my own Raceboard deck/enclosure, but naturally it just made sense to couple the 3 links with the V5 raceboard platform designed for them.

I’ll be posting my racing updates/progress in this thread, comparing times to my previous setup as well as anything I find might be useful to others interested in the build, but for now, heres a look at the build/conversion:

18th Sept - Out of the box:
As soon as I opened the box, I knew I made the right decision. In a sea full of production boards and all rounder timber decks, I’m grateful to have a platform that’s been purely designed for racing and personally built by a legend with so much racing experience @MoeStooge

I was also super impressed with the turnaround - Custom chassis was at my door in Western Australia just 20 days after the order was placed.

First thing I did was step on it and start making comparisons to my previous setup. Working out where bindings, esc’s and all the other bits would be mounted. One thing I worked out very quickly is that handling is going to be very different with my front foot being so much further forward than it used to be



20th Nov - Out with the old:

You might have noticed it took me almost 2 months to start this conversion. There were a few determining factors… I was pretty reluctant to tear apart a board I had achieved quite a bit with, and I knew I had some unfinished business with T-race, so I’m stoked to have been able to re-gain top spot before stripping it down.

The other delay was my uncertainty about my battery situation. Initially I was looking to have my p45b 12s8p pack stripped and rebuilt to fit the chassis, however @Marsen has something even better in store for me early next year - will update the thread when that happens. For the meantime, I have gone with 6x 4s HRB 9500mah Lipo’s in a 12s2p arrangement.

20th Nov - Main Assembly:

First thing I started with was disconnecting all the electronics, followed by removing the trucks. In hindsight I should’ve completely stripped the drivetrain while it was mounted on a deck, but I initially had the intention of doing as little work as possible to get it up and running and back on the race track. Little did I know that the trucks would be arranged in a completely different setup on the new chassis :sweat_smile:




Continuing on with my naive thinking that I’d just simply be installing the trucks to the chassis and be done with it, I decided to slap on this awesome grip design by @Jaws. I stuck with my classic #3 as its been good to me. Hoping chassis number #33 will be double good


Next was binding placement - the rear binding has stirred up some controversy but it felt good to me :man_shrugging:

Trucks went on next, pretty straightforward to install. Decided to put some red loctite on the main thread as I’ve heard of some people’s loosening out over time


Next was the ESC box at the rear. By chance, my standard top mounted boxes fit almost perfectly, just needed some minor adjustments to the power cable opening to fit across the chassis spine.



Making adjustments to the rod angle geometry to suit the new chassis was overall a pretty straightforward process, thanks to countless hours of working on the trucks on the previous setup. this all went together pretty smoothly. It goes against recommendations from most, but I’ve kept the widest track width settings from my previous set-up rather than going narrower. So far it’s felt rock solid and stable.




21st Nov - Rolling Chassis Complete, next step - wiring:

I started out by mapping out my component locations - lipo’s, ESC, wiring etc to give me a rough idea of how I was going to strap them in and also how long my lengths of cabling needed to be. In my mind, this Velcro setup was going to work really well but it has already proven to be a bit of a pain in the ass as it hasn’t stuck very well to the deck. i’ll be exploring some other options to secure them neatly once I have a bit more time on my hands. Open to suggestions also, keeping in mind that this Lipo setup is very likely temporary.



more Velcro added down the sides for my lipo harness, ESC power and 4wd can-link

once the harness was installed it started to look a bit busy, but overall it works quite well. I went against the grain and used xt90’s instead of xt150 bullets, mostly because I had a shitload of xt90’s but also because I wanted to reduce the amount of plugs I’d be plugging and unplugging overall. All of this setup is hopefully temporary till the battery upgrade in mid Feb 2025, so as long as it works for the time being I’m happy. If you look closely you’ll be able to find my drunken wiring mistake which made a lipo go POP. A harsh lesson learned to never mix booze with wiring (or probably any other job for that matter) Might have to pull the beer fridge out of the workshop :sweat_smile:

I love @Tony_Stark 's motors, but I had to Frankenstein the phase wires a bit to match the colour scheme of the board - sorry :upside_down_face:

It was a bit of an afterthought and I cbf waiting for shipping times to get some orange cable sleeving in, so I found some orange/grey rope at good old Bunnings, wrapped it around and heat shrunk the ends. Worked a treat.

Also had to butcher the front of the belly pan a bit to get the front motor phase wires through. didn’t come up too badly. This mod will seriously bug me if I ever change my setup in the future to a 2WD, but I suppose I could get another belly pan :man_shrugging:

Last bit of fuckery before getting the power on was to swap out the deans connectors for XT90 on the Lipo’s. I don’t know why I was hesitant to do it, but I guess I have had my fair share of fires in the workshop. Grateful that it ended up actually being a super simple process once I got into it.

Once the lipo’s were all done, the build was pretty much ready to fire up!

Overall, VERY stoked with the platform upgrade. from my limited testing I’m already feeling very confident in this setup. It’s far less twitchy than the previous setup and I think that’s due to having my foot closer to the front axle which results in having more weight at the front. Riding platform is significantly lower also. This change in stance has been a bit of an adjustment for handling, and I think I still need to dial in a few things board wise and skill wise to make it as competitive and hopefully MORE competitive than the previous setup.

I had about 30 mins of playing around before giving the T-race a decent go. Unfortunately, by that point the Lipo’s were already sitting at about 70-80% with noticeable sag, significantly decreasing my top speed. Despite the sag and major adjustment to handling, I still managed to get a decent time on the T for a first go

A few days later I took it out to a “medium” track. Certainly not the largest go kart track we’ve been to (100m straight, 700m total length), but perfect size to give it a really good run. This is where my confidence grew the most in the setup and I’m much more keen than I ever was to get back on some long tracks again! Here’s one of my runs at the track for anyone interested: Tas Ventouras on Instagram: "Track testing @bunbury_city_kart_club Super fun layout and the perfect size for PEV racing Well be back very soon 😁"

I have plenty of work ahead of me, dialling in both my racing technique and the board and I’ll aim to keep this thread updated with my progress as much as possible!

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How do you feel about the complete lack of concave?

You’re gonna be unstoppable with the rear binding :fire:

Such a cool build, glad I got to have a tiny part in it! Will be itching to see you against me on the track and hunt you down!

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Another 4wd v5! Welcome to the club of all three of us.

Excited to see you push your v5 to the limits.

That rear binding placement is wiiiiild… My foot is nowhere near that high up on the kicktail when I’m racing! What made you put it up so high? How does it feel while racing? Is it stressful on your feet?

Looks like the batteries hang in the velcro loop “slings” while racing- makes sense that they’ll pull the velcro off the board in the high-vibration environment.

What I recommend is putting some adhesive foam on the batteries or bellypan (either works). You can get all kinds of thicknesses, pick some that will compress a bit when the bellypan is on. This compression will hold the batteries in place (the foam will also keep them from rattling). Here’s where I did it in my thread;


Sounds in line for what I’ve seen for 2p HRB’s. Still fast af though! :clap:

:open_mouth:

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Cant wait for the race season to start up!

One of our local guys has a V5. I took it for a spin and thats where my foot ended up :person_shrugging: the rear binding stretches across a pretty large area and allows me to shift my foot to various positions on the kick. It feels comfortable so far but im definitely noticing im using different muscles to race this board. Even the front foot has much more pressure placed above the ankle/under the knee

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Thanks for the suggestion! @sugandese has also suggested doing this so i think this will be my next plan of attack :grin:

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It was one of my major concerns before I actually tried it. But once you’re on, it just feels right. Its quite a narrow deck and coupled with bindings and the 3 links its very predictable for turns. Its a different feeling for sure. Hitting a sweeping turn at speed feels like your feet are securely planted into the angle of the turn. Especially on a race track with angulations. Its an awesome feeling

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The new chassis is proving its worth after a couple of long-track practice sessions. The board is holding solid on the straight and extremely predicatable for handling, locking in during high speed turns giving me confidence to go faster, brake later and accelerate earlier.

Previous best lap time at cockburn intl raceway: 1:09.65
Current best lap time: 108.16

Considering this was only my 4th session on the board (and first at this track), coupled with the fact that I could only get 1 hot lap before needing to top up in due to battery sag, I’m extremely pleased with the results from the upgrade.

I’ve been surprised with the amount of battery sag I’m getting after just 1-2 laps on the long track & 5-6 laps on a short track. At about 4V per cell, performance drops significantly and I’m unable to get anywhere near top speed. I have another set on the way so at least I’ll be able to hot-swap instead of waiting 40 mins after each lap to top up🤦but the situation is less than ideal. Thankfully its only temporary.


where i spent most of the track day😪

Short track has been a different beast for me to tackle on the new chassis. Even though my previous setup wasnt as stable, it could turn an extremely tight turning circle, which probably gave me that edge on the T-race for tighter lines. Its been a huge adjustment getting around short tracks like Chicago and I’ve have to relearn my lines to accommodate. The wider and more stable turning circle of the V5 allows me to carry more speed through the turns, as opposed to heavy braking and heavy acceleration on the short track, so i think its just a matter of dialling that all in and spending more time on the board before I break any of my previous times.

Previous chicago best laptime (octopus deck): 25.95

Last sessions chicago time (V5): 26.57

The next interesting one will be the indoor track test in January! Really looking forward to seeing how it handles there as the track is quite wide!

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Sounds about right for HRB’s, especially for 2p and a rider of your caliber. The c-rating on them is definitely inflated😂

With my SMC batteries on Ankle Wreacher, I typically don’t feel any kind of sag until the 3.75~3.8v/cell. Given, I’ve got double as many packs in the board.

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Good to know there isnt something sinister going on and the packs are just falsely advertised. Im kinda upset that i bought a 2nd set now :rofl:

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Siiick man I’m excited to see what you do. And even more keen to see this battery situation. I’m also a little surprised you decided to stick to VESC and didn’t want to try HW :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:.

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I’m too impatient / time poor to learn how to control the HW. Once i hit the ceiling of my current setup ill look at my options, but more leaning towards larger motors at the rear and G300s rather than a completely unfamiliar setup

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