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Thatā€™s only if itā€™s solid. A rubber foam (available in different durometers/hardnesses, open or closed cell) can compress vertically without expanding horizontally.

For any hardness/durometer youā€™ll have to choose the area of rubber to use to give you the desired compression at the anticipated loads. I try to aim for 50% compression.

For softer rubber youā€™ll need more of it to provide the desired compression. For harder rubber youā€™ll need less of it to provide the desired compression.

Iā€™m a big fan of 100% rubber coverage (to provide even support of the entire object, in this case a pack) and selecting the thickness and durometer/hardness that provides the compression I want.

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Interesting. I believe I pruned that information when I was reading up on specifically sorbothane, but Iā€™m not entirely sure. Iā€™m a fan of one sheet for ease of installation, but Iā€™d still think strips would have benefits regardless of that. Cost(on a grand scale anyways), airflow, and disipating heat into multiple objects instead of one all come to mind. But remember, Iā€™m a stupid.

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Sorbothane is incredible stuff but it indeed is a solid, not a foam. At least all the Sorbothane Iā€™ve used is solid. The stuff Iā€™ve seen is pretty hard though, designed for very high loads, so I agree that you would to use a softer rubber.

One concern with strips (or shapes) is that it allows much more lateral shifting/bouncing. This is typically not a good thing unless accounted for.

From a protection point of view, IMO itā€™s better to choose 100% coverage and select a thickness/hardness that is suitable for the expected bouncing/vibration. There are some softer neoprene foams that are terrific for this.

For lower cost you could go with strips/shapes. But there are downsides to that approach, like the lateral shifting mentioned above and my next thoughtā€¦

How much more cooling is there really available in a sealed enclosure with all those layers of fishpaper, tape, and heat shrink blocking effective heat transfer to the outside of the pack?

Since the thermal conductivity of the rubber is higher than still air there is also a good case to be made that 100% rubber coverage would result in better cooling. The rubber provides a better heat conducting path to the enclosure shell than still air. Using multiple strips means less rubber conducting heat and that means less heat being removed. Itā€™s all about thermal resistance and the more surface area you have pulling away heat the lower the thermal resistance of the setup and the easier the heat can flow out (that is, lower temps).

If there is air flow through the enclosure then perhaps a case could be made for using only strips of rubber to allow the air to pass by the pack. But the pack is very well insulated and IMO even this wouldnā€™t make much of a difference. Best to design a pack that doesnā€™t get hot. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Iā€™m trying alright! :smiling_face_with_tear: It just doesnā€™t work out like i want it to. I usually set myself a hard limit for 2am but it keeps getting later and later.

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its fine, once u delay nearly a full cycle, then u will be back to normal sleep schedule :joy:

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All makes sense. Like I said, i am a stupid. I was actually looking into sorbothane specifically for the purpose of vibration dampening grip. Still very interested in trying it for that.

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That sounds like a great use for it. Would love to hear how it works out!
I was using it as a shock dampener in the heel of my running shoes when recovering from plantar fasciitis and the hardness of the Sorbothane I had was great since so much force was put on such a small area. It kept the material from squishing flat (which would make it useless).

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I had the idea when I found out itā€™s whatā€™s used for damping vibrations in high end speakers and instruments. Not sure what Iā€™d use for the actual GRIP, though. Rubber is great, until it gets wet.

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Could you maybe bond some savage grip to the top of it? How thin would you be thinking?

If you had it texturized, even cut into hexagons it would probably already have great grip when wet.

I donā€™t see why not.
For maximum cool Iā€™d drill holes in the rubber, and do metal spikes. As for thickness, probably 2-3mm.

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Maybe if you could read the name of the thread :see_no_evil:

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Just shows that I deserve that title lmao

Whatcha got hidden backā€™ar??

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Japanese pornography.

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Dog probably pooped over there :joy:

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Yes

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LOTS of Japanese pornography with this as the root premise.

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Iā€™ve got about 30 brand new unused FOC box 1.7 if you need one.

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:flushed:

Tell us moreā€¦

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Thatā€™s wildā€¦ People would be interested! I have spares on hand already, thanks!

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