Yes yes and yes. I think we have a problem with “DKP” being stuck to mean that classic stacked TKP base heavily popularized as of late.
For casting yes there is some advantage of the tkp funk to make the parts strong. For a CNC design no problem trying out that SERIES Kingpin idea. I was thinking about making it stack on top of a Apex air PKP to save parts to make to test the idea.
I wonder what the slop would be like…
I still like the design with the adjustable base plate.
I like the Voxter trucks too. Very interesting idea about loading the bushings.
I wish I could think of a better way to lock the dual axles together to make that 0 degree rod end truck design, because now that the SRB 3-link truck axle is offered it makes sense to try to mfg the design with the BN adjustable baseplate.
I should spend the time to recreate the 2 smaller link mounting into that BN baseplate design so it works without the dual axle. Guess I never thought about that much, do I ever think about anything much at all? Par all that is.
I will see if it makes more sense to have it on whichever side of the supermodularBNadjbaseslider. huh slider on the slider base, on a sliding board. Sounds slick.
The closer you get to zero deg the more unstable this will become. A zero rake truck that uses caster. Super interesting.
What I was thinking about is having good return to center.
on a Freeboard where I want to use these ideas you can never have a hanger get stuck more than a deg or two off center, they also need KRANKed bushings so return should be more than solid enough.
I was just considering the possible dangers to mitigate.
I have also been thinking about how to make something like a FB 5-X suspension with two NKPs that would be awesomely adjustable. I began thinking even about it may be possible to angle the rod out and run no guiding mechanism at all. (model I must)
That idea of having less than solid guiding led me to think about the axle sliding in a slot to constrain, as on a Freeboard there is no steering slop issues at speed really. Then I realised for the more normal design that you could have the slider constraint only acting from the boardside. I think this idea would work quite well scaled down, it is more simple than the dual rod design. To eliminate slot/slider slop I would try having some kind of spring/bushing preload on them.
I did not completely get this at first but I see now you mean the turn slop caused by the sliding constraint against the plate will have ever greater effect on stability approaching 0 degrees, where it is needed most. I suppose my dual NKP rod end config is superior in that respect of excellent movement constraint for stability in all positions.
I am not looking for high speed stability as the primary goal of everything I am thinking of. One thing that would be interesting is allowing that deflection on the slider constraint for some sort of suspension. Ok time to come up with some better ideas I guess.
more rake means the turning radius decreases exponentially (the more you lean).
Moe sounded like he meant two different things but in that pic they are defined to be the same. Maybe I am getting confused about something, well I am but idk about what.
Yeah that part I dont get either. Why is a linear turning radius more unstable?
No I wanted an explanation of what Caster on a truck vs rake is and where it was on that model.
Well yours is 0 rake if I’m not mistaken?
again it sounded he said there is additional component of caster.
is this part of the geometry?
sorry @Linesflag I should have been more clear, I was not asking for help understanding the picture, the picture made what @MoeStooge said make no sense so I wanted to know what he meant.
Probably because it casts on bearings?
you think I could make that slider plate curved for a progressive turn? For suspension definitely.
Lol you think I should use one 608 bearing to constrain it or two?
Prob two.
Bushings also I guess. I was thinking about attaching stuff to the holes exposed on the left there. How much of the BN baseplate do you think you can chop off?
I am have a really hard time determining what the goal is here and what problem you are looking to solve.
Exploring possible small footprint trucks with high precision and adjustability because why not. Some of these ideas could be scaled down or up without changing much else also which I like for specialization.
Overall theme is modular truck. Don’t like something? Change it out.
I… honestly never realized dkp are actually dtkp. That kind of explains why i, as a long time rkp head, always preferred soft bushing rkp, qnd thought dkp felt wrong.
I have a “interesting truck design ideas” thread I wanted to make so it wouldn’t all get mixed in and lost in here. Let me make that now.
