Optimum Vesc settings?

Charging or discharging a battry harms the battry. That’s why thay have life span. The thing is how much is reasonable. If you can take 2 motors at -60 battry amp and stay on the board your doing a lot better than me I’d be in the bush 5m in front of it.

On a street board with urethan I have -35 per motor (-45 per single drive is max for me any higher and the wheels just skid for me) I see up to battry at -20 amps Reguarly and that’s only for a few seconds.

On a very basi level

To see max battry - = max motor amp- you need to be applying full brakes at max duty cycle With out slowing down. By braking you reducing the duty cycle by slowing down.

During regen the battry needs to see a higher voltage coming back than it has as the time so the vesc steps the voltage up to match

You need to think of it in watts see how thay match below.

Motor sees
Full speed 40v at 40A is 1600W
3/4 speed 30V at 40A is 1200W
1/2 speed 20v at 40A is 800W
1/4 speed 10V at 40A is 400W

Battry sees
Full speed 40V at 40A 1600W
3/4 speed 40V at 30A is 1200W
1/2 speed 40V at 20A 800W
1/4 speed 40V at 10A 400W

Now let’s say the motor amp max is now 80A the battry regen max is 40A (total of 1600W cap)

Motor sees
Full speed 40v at 40A is 1600W
3/4 speed 30V at 53.3 is 1600W
1/2 speed 20v at 80A is 1600W
1/4 speed 10V at 80A is 800W

Battry sees
Full speed 40V at 40A 1600W
3/4 speed 40V at 40A 1600W
1/2 speed 40V at 40A 1600W
1/4 speed 40V at 20A 800W

Now let’s say your been less stupid and not slamming full brakes on from full speed because you don’t want to be superman flying off the board and use use 3/4 the brakes On the remote

Motor sees
Full speed 40v at 40A is 1600W
3/4 speed 30V at 53.3 is 1600W
1/2 speed 20v at 60A is 1200W
1/4 speed 10V at 60A is 600W

Battry sees
Full speed 40V at 40A 1600W
3/4 speed 40V at 40A 1600W
1/2 speed 40V at 30A 1200W
1/4 speed 40V at 20A 800W

Hopefully you see most of the time having a higher motor max than battry max doesn’t affect us much due to the duty cycle that needs to be taken in to consideration and why it’s often said you only lose a little top end braking that has little practical use.

The other argument is how long dose it take to get from full speed to 1/2 duty cycle most of us it takes seconds a battry can happily take few 100amps for a few seconds with hardly any noticeable detrimental affect. The max charge rating on battery’s is ther fast continues full charge 4-6amp per cell. For this reason some say don’t set a max battry regen because we only applying that high amp age charge for a few seconds at a time in normal use

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Wow…ok that’s a lot to take in. Thx for this it helps a lot. Gotta bookmark this…Think I need to read up on duty cycle. Theres a thread on duty cycle I remember.

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Another thing…I’m running on a Unity. 60A battery is actually only 30 per motor correct? It’s my understanding the Unity settings are all totals.

I used the vesc tool not the unity app but battry settings are divided by the motors but motor settings are separate as fare as I know.

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Trampa thank you for the explanations. I red it many times tried to understand it because English my second language. I’m not really good at it. Anyway, My battery specs 10S5P Panasonic 15ah 50a continuous. I got 6374 from dickyho max 50a

Flipsky dual 4.20 Vesc settings

motor max: 50A x 40v 2000watts
motor min: -30A?
battery max: 25A ?
battery min: -20A x 40v = 800 watts braking power

Are these settings correct? and optimal for my battery. Thanks!

I scanned all of this and am trying to diagnose my own problem…

I currently have brakes at lower speed, but not at high speed. My understanding is that my battery regen needs to be higher??

My motors are set to 30A max output and -30A regen with -4A per motor currently… (Its an AWD hub motor build with a 10s5p 30q battery.)

You answered your own question

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Dang. It’s just weird that I haven’t seemed to notice this issue until now… time to “plug in and tune up!”

As you stated Q30 are 4amp fast charge 4Ax5P 20amp

common for people to at least double this as it will only be short bursts

20A x 2 = 40A / 4WD 10A batt regen

That should start to be userble but you may want more

This is good news! Thanks!

Going up to 10S6P so I will put the settings to -12A when that comes in!

Just keep uping it to the level you need and don’t be stupid and use you brakes all the way down a big hill. TRAMPA advise you set it to some thing massive like 9999A

Sorry to bring this back up…just wanted to confirm my settings is ok.

10s4p 18650ga cells 40a discharge
FSECS 6.6 mini
6368 170kv (motor detection 51a)

motor current max: 45a
motor current max brake: -45a
Absolute max current: 80a

battery max: 19.25a
battery max regen: -11a

Where do I go to in Vesc Tool App to see current settings ? I’m curious to see where I’m at with my Trampa board as far as regen for my brakes etc etc .
Thank you

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Motor CFC, first selector set to General , second selector set to Current.

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What is the biggest factor that creates heat for your motors? I feel as though with my settings being as conservative as they are, I should not be getting up near 80c on motor temps but it wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong. Is it better to run motor detection while the motors are around 50c or at room temperature and with belts on or off?

Try redoing the motor setup

Thank you . This is all a little new to me .
May I ask what kind of board you are riding ?

Pulling this thread into the new year to take a look at VESC settings.

As of the ride I just took I’m at:

12s5p P42A 21700
FS 6374 x2
MakerX DV6 / VESC6
Hoyt Puck

Braking was a little sluggish, so I’m looking to tune some values. From research, it seems like people like to bump Battery Current Max Regen beyond the normal charge rating.

Any opinions? Could I safely adjust regen to -20 or -30?

Additionally, it seems like adjusting the PPM settings may help the tepid Puck response. It felt odd - I could pin the wheel all the way to max throttle and it took a good amount of time before the board really seemed to start pushing.
Was:
Positive Ramping Time: 0.40 s (default)
Negative Ramping Time: 0.20 s (default)
Input Deadband: 10%
Throttle Expo: 0%
Throttle Expo Brake: 0%

Considering:
Pos Ramp: 0.30 s
Neg Ramp: 0.10 s
Deadband: 5%
Throttle Expo: 5%
Throttle Expo Brake: 0%

Would love some guidance here from those with experience.

I’m of the opinion that I’d rather have slightly reduced battery age than not be able to stop in time in an emergency. Besides braking should only charge at the maximum rate for a very brief period of time, and shouldn’t cause too much heating. I have mine set to around 1.5C, which is strong enough for me while not massively going over the continuous charge limit.

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