I’d be interested to see this experience shared with the battery builders body of knowledge thread. It makes sense that this is possible, but is the first I’ve head of something like this being an actual concern. I’m assuming it’s more likely to happen on decks that are highly flexible?
Lol truth. Hypertrucks have long been my least favourite trucks.
Pretty much. And not even highly flexible, just when the braid is used in any flex scenario over a short length.
I have a theory that if the braid were contained (like within a tight heatshrink) it might prolong it’s lifespan in this use case but its just a theory
i’ll call mines something basic if you do
You watch your mouth buddy
Hypertrucks are an excellent truck system that LaCroix totally fucked over in two big ways:
One, they made the Naz deck 30°/25°. That 5° off in the rear might not seem like much, but on channel trucks it’s huge. Its the reason why they turn like a 40ft sailboat, rather than an esk8.
Two, they install the hardest fucking bushings on the trucks out of the factory. They include a full bushing set with their board so folks can theoretically tune them to their preference, but nearly every LaCroix rider I’ve come across still has the rock hard stock bushings installed, no matter their weight.
On a 30°/30° MTB deck with soft riptide bushings, these trucks come ALIVE and are my favorite channel truck I’ve used.
I would just like to say that you are wrong and I have no evidence to back up that claim.
The attempt to make the race in time made this a particularly fun build thread to read. Rollercoaster of emotions.
I just recently used some on a battery build… so I guess I will be testing your theory
Well, that alone explains my opinions
This is what I’m doing with rocinante’s new battery. Hoping you’re right.
hypertrucks are slop generating machines. they blow out the flange bushings pretty quick. the kingpin comes loose all the time.
tuning flange bushing pressure properly and actually securing the king pin requires shimming properly so that you can lock the nut down on the shoulder bolt and not over-compress the flange bushing, but also not leave too much slop.
slop will then accumulate as the flange bushing deteriorates… but much slower than over compressing it or under tightening it.
MBS matrix II’s also come alive with really soft riptide bushings and 30/30 angles. just don’t go super fast on 'em.
My one concern with the duality is that the pivot cups will wear out since they take all of the impacts
I think braid has been used as a flexible connection and that is where failures happen, just my opinion and not to hijack to much from this amazing build thread, but braid is moldable but not good where it will be subject to any movement. Silicone wire is just better where it’s subjected to flexing or vibration. Bricks:braid. Flex:wire.
These connections are the ones I’ve seen fail and have been warned against making with braid. As it is also a parallel connection a failure could be overlooked for a while if it isn’t a total failure. Personally I would keep a close eye on them as the failure i saw was mid span on the braid which is covered by shrink. I couldn’t tell from the failure iff it was abrasion or fatigue failure so I don’t know how good shrinking it will do to prevent that. I do feel like the thicker strands and work hardening from the braiding process definitely makes braid less than ideal but by what amount I wouldn’t know - just my hunches
I feel like the braid topic deserves its own thread for posterity
For esk8, all channel trucks are equally stupid, with all the other options we have now. Convince me otherwise
Channel trucks are unique in the fact that their pivot point is one of the most precise you can get
What’s the point though? Precise implies being good at speed, but I don’t see people breaking speed records on them
Zero shock absorption, don’t turn all that well, aren’t all that stable. Feels like dinosaur tech man.
These are all valid criticisms.
The last positives I could think of is ease of manufacturing and personal preference on the ride feel that a precise kingpin gives the rider.
As for turning, I think channel trucks are some of the hardest trucks to ride with very soft bushings and aggressive turning deck geometry. This extra difficulty leads to the typical channel truck setup being tuned less for tight turns. Another valid criticism.
Boils down to personal preference imo