Nkp 3-link Production.

Ok, if this is what you guys ride in general, this makes sense.
In Germany most people ride Evolve, Trampa, Bossted or some DIY boards which all have forged/billet trucks.

I think there are a couple issues with existing trucks. In general it is hard to find a perfect setting where the board turns and carve very nimble, but is stable for speeds over 50km/h at the same time. This is why I tested hundreds of truck, bushing, washer, baseplate, mounting system, deck, wheel combinations so far. in over 10.000km of riding and testing of dezentes of boards, I still couldn’t finde a perfect setup. Perfect would be for me a board which turns like a surf skate but stable at 100km/h like a car.

I think further some of those reasons brought you as well to the idea of creating a new truck design by yourself.

All trucks, maybe besides channel, have a wide range of adjustment possibilities. Like I said before, you can spend years just on different truck setups. But it seems you mention an important point. If the NKP trucks prevent torque steer while accelerating and braking that’s a huge benefit!
This should be communicate and disserves more awareness in my opinion.

No worries, I just try to understand.

I think when innovation happens it disserves to get more attention.
But it’s always about improving things and make them better than before.
It does not need to be better in everything but it needs to be significant better in a niche. Otherwise it has no place in the market.

I think I get an idea, but I would love to try them by myself.

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SRB has all my attention for about 2 years now :heart: :heart: :heart:
Surely has Moe innovated an Eskate Truck that is BEST for its purpose and riders preferences with much bigger axle up to 21mm or something, ready to change the length for its purpose and motors, precision, etc.
Absolutly innovated, improved and the market is already gready for it, bc it works.
Weird you didnt noticed this :man_shrugging: but im same german idiot going crazy downtown. :mask:
If you like surfskate steering it could be difficult to find something that would be stable enough at higher speeds, but who knows. Build one for you this way and find out :man_shrugging: :smiley:

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All I want to say is, that it’s not easy to see the benefits of this truck design and I am following this project for about one year. And if it has some, like the lack of torque steer, it need to be communicated more accurately, so everyone can understand here happens something special. Just to say it feels different, you need to ride it, it’s not enough to rise the awareness it disserves imho.

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nAhhhh…Moe doesnt need more attention. Everyone already knows :rofl: :man_shrugging:
Correct me if im wrong but AFAIK it isnt easy to get a set of these beauties.

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With the NKP 3-link trucks, the board seems to disappears beneath my feet. I do not get that feeling with any other truck. In some ways like a motorcycle, you drop into a turn with the deceleration and then as you accelerate there is a righting moment that help you exit the turn with a lot of speed. A extreme comparison can be found with stock DKP trucks, when you accelerate in the middle of a turn the torque of motor drives the inside rear wheel towards the deck which induces oversteer. Conversely, the 3-link launches you out of the turn 4 the win.

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I think you are looking at it wrong bro, even cars have this problem, a dragster cannot do lemans. And this is a nice thing, i bet you the 3 link trucks cannot do 100km/h and carve either (they are just very adjustable), but might have characteristics people like. In the end its YOU doing this and your preferences, thats why there is no perfect.

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This is how I look at the relationships of deck lean, baseplate angle and the resulting steering angle.

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I feel like @Chricious was asking:

“What are the differentiations with this truck, other than looking different, what benefits does it have? what features does it have? why/when would I choose this over others? what were the design goals?”

That’s been perhaps mostly answered above, but with a bunch of why are you dogging these cool trucks thrown in.

feels like miss communication.

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All good Fess
May have some confusion of what a precision is.
Billet or forged does not = precision.
Talk Ronnin, Area, Valkyrie, Rojas for precision
Like I said below.

“Ok, if this is what you guys ride in general, this makes sense.
In Germany most people ride Evolve, Trampa, Bossted or some DIY boards which all have forged/billet trucks.”

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How would you define it?

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Not Moe, but I’d define it more in terms of tolerances. You can CNC every part of a truck out of solid steel such that it’s unbreakable, but it isn’t worth a damn if the pivot cup doesn’t fit the pivot. Precision would aim to minimize dead zone and slop, and improve consistency, which tends to be easier when stuff is CNCed, but isn’t exclusive to it.

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Precision is a truck designed for downhill or slalom competition with a mechanical connection between the baseplate and hanger rendering precise steering between the deck and axel.
Any bushing suspended hanger would not be precision. No matter what material it is made from. Ollin used Ronnin precision cast. I think Next Boards used a precision Bear truck Those would be the only examples I can come up with.
Channels with their tall rake are inherently unstable at speed. I would bet if someone made a zero or negative rake channel it you could make a decent speed with it.
With that, there are non precision trucks that are very good.

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The NKP 3-Link trucks do not owe anything to skating in their articulation, form and function so they are hard to compare to skate trucks, precision or not. They are truly disruptive tech, something totally unique and in so many ways superior to anything I have ever mounted to a skateboard.

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What wheels/pulleys/motors did you fit these up with

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They seems to be the dickyho 6x2 on the stock hubs with printed or VEX pulleys



(10mm for NKP)
motors look like TB 6374
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For me, I define slop as how much yaw you can force out of an axle with reasonable force while the roll of the deck/baseplate remains fixed at zero. Or in other words, how far you can pull an axle out of line with the axle path.

Precision is how fixed axle travel is to that path.

The idea that CNC = Precision really peaked probably ~2010 when there was just an explosion small shop of CNC trucks, it didn’t take long for people to gain an appreciation for the difference.

I think another thing to note of channels is wear. Even though channel trucks can achieve awesome tolerance, very few are designed where they’ll keep it after hundreds of miles.

Though I think its also worth noting that the DH speed record wasn’t set on rakeless trucks. But 3mm of rake is a far cry from what you typically see on a channel truck.

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Not sure I get the analogy. That hanger can be flipped from positive to negative rake.
Channels are always (very) positive.

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I’m pretty sure that they weren’t flipped.
Most of the fast racers I’ve talked to either fall in the category of preferring a little positive axle rake, or zero rake.
The trucks are designed to appeal to this type of rider, and they don’t ship flipped. Their default configuration for going fast, is with rake.

My point is, while rakeless is more stable than positive rake, its not a requirement, especially as you approach zero. 2-3mm or axle offset? Its not going to be your bottleneck.

And channels don’t always have rake either. You just can’t use a through axle, so its a lot more expensive and troublesome to go rake-less, and there’s not a lot of reason to do it outside of niche applications.

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One correction Jason, The axles you have on your rig are mine from the 20 years of Barrett Junction event. I just happened to have 2 spares when you crashed into the luge rider coming down the hill. The crash did not destroy the trucks, just bent the axles. Brandon and you worked fast to get you back to the starting line so you were able to continue in extreme pain I might add and podium…awesome my man. Not many trucks precision or not could have survived that crash.

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This is wild!

@davidbonde @MoeStooge @jamie

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