but the if the argument was no one should buy RKP except from randal 40something years later, I think i’ts fair to consider that argument irrelevant.
your argument seems to be Randal was not afforded any period of respect for their invention in the 70s. So why should anything else? I would argue randall deserved a period of respect for their invention.
Also, is that true? timelines were hard to pin down. did they fail to patent as well? I was getting too lazy to try to figure that out. [ I actually found a 2016 pattent on TKP trucks… so… i was like WTF? i couldn’t tell what the differentiating innovatinon even was. ]
Your second argument seems to be that 5 years of testing by SRB is long enough period of respect for the inventor for someone who didn’t pattent anything. I can’t argue with that, it’s definitely a matter of opinion.
I can appreciate the excitement over the innovation. Personally I would have tried to partner with SRB, the way Mad ESK8 did, so my innovations could be additive, more respectful.
I was talking about people in the 80s buying from other companies not contemporary.
Okay, that’s fair and is fine in theory but its just not how the modern world works, you need to make continual progress or you will be left behind, it sucks but there isn’t really any industry I can think of where this isn’t the case.
From my perspective, it seems that everything SRB is untouchable, and maybe its because I don’t have any affiliation with Stooge but those who do treat his products as religious objects and anyone who comes close to that is a direct personal attack on him even though there isn’t anything else in the community where people act like this.
I have never seen someone get actually upset that meepo (and other brands) copied the Newbee gear drive and I haven’t seen Ean getting extremely upset about it but when it’s the other direction its heresy and disgraceful and he should have worked with him Etc Etc Etc. This is just one example, there are countless examples of people taking others’ designs in this industry and it sucks, I’m sure the people that put their time into these products hate it.
But if you know someone is going to steal your design in a year you need to make something better than you did last year, or make it for cheaper than you did last year, thats how modern capitalism works with how easy it is for Chinese brands to disregard patents. Stooge operates in a capitalistic market so they can either play the game or others will take their place.
i do feel we’ve seen this. i remember @ShutterShock making some noise on this front and definitely feel like i’ve seen others. .
I think @PedroMcJimenez is touching on something here that a ton of people have their company loyalty. If you think there aren’t newbee fan boys here getting upset that their products are “attacked” you may be turning a blind eye.
i’d wager that brand loyalty even more than capitalism, plays a bigger role in people here getting so upset that some SRB owners feel like copying is bad.
I personally no longer recommend meepo to new people as I think that kinda activity isn’t worthy of respect.
Minorly sure but not anywhere remotely close to the level of stuff we have seen from the diehard stooge fanboys - I mean seriously, at the beginning especially it was quite embarrassing
And yes meepo are selling those linnpower geardrives but I do think that since it was a contract sort of thing it’s less blame on meepo? dunno.
The whole thing feels ridiculous and at the end of the day, its not like stooge is going anywhere…
Buy what you want but I like to see iteration and innovation and I do believe strongly that is what we have here. Besides, I don’t see srb making something that’s easily gear drive compatible. I myself have issues with my mounting because its a round rod.
Now we have something that has a nice platform to mount to and offers great flexibility over the srb design. Time for srb to innovate again
Yes, that’s what I meant. I know there were posts or comments about it but there have been 2 whole (long) threads dedicated almost completely to people being outraged about these 3 links
Facebook and instagram are worse imo than here. At least some of the discussion was constructive.
This discussion in this sale thread is definitely starting to detract from the original topic though so I would wager we might need cleanup on aisle 69 @xsynatic
Look, I only meant to dip a toe in here about the technical aspect that the “randall is the only one that should make RKP” argument was silly. it gets dumped all over the internet every time this comes up.
sry i got pulled into the rest of the specious debate.
My first set of trucks I rocked were Randals for years. I think the least you can do is pay respects with your first purchase if you’re aware of the origins of a product.
Main point is paying respects to original design. The purchase being the biggest way to do that. Randal didn’t continue innovating and pushing their products and eventually got surpassed. It also goes beyond the product. How the company treats riders, the scene, and how they progress the scene as a whole. Many companies produce products for profits without much care for the people who ride them. Ultimately it’s the big picture. It’s great when a company can cover all bases and you don’t even feel like you need to look elsewhere. Time will tell.
But Newbee innovation bad? This design drastically increases the number of boards that can use 3 links, boards with built-in angles really couldn’t use 3 links. Now we can use 3 links on urban carvers, mountain boards, and decks like the magnetic with a wedged nose and de-wedged tail. That feels like innovation to me. Stooge never catered to those customers so someone made something that does.
How feasible do you guys think it would be to file down my 19.5mm BN adaptors to fit these? Looks like there is still one pair left and I would love to run these.
