Nobody uses nylon, TPU has been a traditional material for flexibility and impact resistance, but where did you get info that PC/ABS is cheaper than TPU or nylon? PC per ton is more expensive than PA6 nylon, so do you know what you’re talking about?
You’re held up on claiming cheap material yet you have no idea how much those materials even cost. It’s ironic.
You forgot the psychotiller incident…
Was this before or after you called some MBS wheels the discovery core, or you stealing raefael’s pics of surface artifacts and calling them cracks? He’s not even done polishing them yet
Does he even have cracked 120D wheels?
My problem with you is that you are very loud yet you know 0 facts:
glass fiber nylon is STIFFER than PC/ABS, the ABS is added to PC to add in flexibility, PU is very soft and good at bending, but whether it is stiff enough to support a hollow foam structure is debatable. PC is flexible enough to bend and stop bullets. Please learn a bit before you shout things you don’t fully understand.
I have to say something here. I don’t always agree with Sawyer @novamuto and some of his approach. But I really appreciate his fervor in this matter. I think that without his social media rampage we would not have Discovery wheels to even try and Iwonder would still be selling the bad black core wheels.
Many Rollerblade and skate wheels use nylon as their core material…
Yes, TPU has been used for decades. It’s the ideal choice for this application👌
When I say “cheap”, I’m referring to quality more than price. Yes PC is pricey, that doesn’t make it a good choice for the wheel core.
There are too many different types of PC, ABS, TPU and Nylon to simply say “one is more expensive than the other”. There’s far more to it… Each different manufacturing process, combo of materials, etc all play into the price.
And to retort right back, “Do you even know what you’re talking about?”…
I believe they’re using dupont plastics as a supplier in discovery wheel pellets. TPU has been used for decades as wood has been used for decades in decks, does that mean it’s always the right material forever?
PC/ABS blends have come a long way, as have fiberglass and CF. Have you done the math on this or are you running with “it’s been like that so it should always be”? Why is PC/ABS not good for wheel cores? Do you have anything convincing that it’s a bad choice? It would be on my top 3 of materials to use…
Are you 100% sure that a PU core can support such a large wheel with hollow foam/no support without excessive ovalizing and plastic deformation of the material?
Like I said, if Rafael was the only one experiencing this problem, I wouldn’t be talking. However he is not. MULTIPLE other companies have put them through the test and they UTTERLY FAILED. @Hide had them all sign non-disclosure agreements before testing them, so if they speak publicly, they will be sued.
ABS and PC are not able to withstand the stress we put them through on eboards, period. Even the Speedboard, which uses a polycarbonate deck, is being forced to make changes because no matter how thick he makes the deck, it still cracks!
“Please learn a bit before shouting things you don’t fully understand.”
I’m simply here because every single one of our riders in LA is pissed at @Hide for trying to cover this up. He calls our riders “little boys” who ask for refunds or replacement wheels, then tells 'em to basically fuck off and that he won’t be helping them.
@Hide is scamming people for their money, charging premium price for garbage quality, and not being open about everything going on
No I don’t actually. You need to learn that not everyone who disagrees with you hates you and you also need to learn why people disagree with you.
How many companies are testing the 120D and how many cracked? where are pics? You keep saying @rafaelinmissouri has cracked 120Ds when even he himself has not expelicitedly stated that here. Explain that one.
Do you know what a “non-disclosure agreement” is bud? Google it
I didn’t say everyone who disagrees with me hates me. But you sure as hell don’t like me, that’s obvious based off of your prior comments:laughing:
People will always hate me for calling out bullshit like this. I don’t care. My facts are set in stone. These wheels are not safe. Rafael isn’t the only one who’s cracked the new 120Ds. PC is not an adequate material for this application
Maybe if you weren’t being a dick about calling him out people would be more likely to side with you, but here you come shouting and proclaiming your case and calling people stupid.
Sure some of the old ones cracked but why the f do you have jump straight to “scamming people out of their money for garbage quality” bs? Besides all I ever see is screenshots of you complaining, who are all these “other riders”
Hide is here too, appearing to try and work with us. Obviously time will tell with the new design but it is not the same thing as it used to be.
Um yes, I do. Rafael is not the only one who’s cracked his 120D cloudwheels.
Like I said, multiple other companies have put these wheels through their tests and they UTTERLY FAILED. Raf is far from the only one with this issue.
I never called anyone stupid…
And sure I’ll take that I’m being a dick to @Hide, because he’s the one who originally tried covering up the OG problem, and now is doing it again by forcing company’s to sign non-disclosure agreements… Telling riders to screw off and calling them “little boys”… Refusing to provide replacement wheels for those that have cracked…
I understand the wheel is not the same. But @Hide is the same. He’s not here for the rider. He’s here to make money and anybody, like me, that is standing on his way his tried to shutdown
