thanks. :). I was gonna ask the same.
This is a picture of the two focboxes mounted to aluminum plate in stock prototipo DSS50+ built by lacroix.
I ordered the pads. then realized you said you prefer a thermal tape. I think it’ll be good though afaict my focboxes are bolted to the aluminum plate.
I like the tape because it’s cheap and you get full coverage. The pads are just as good. My preference is of zero value .
No prob, whenever you can. Thanks
Between the Focbox and the plate the best thing is thermal paste, far superior heat transfer compared to any pad or tape
my reading tonight has led me to think that too. I think I may try that route instead.
OTOH the thermal pad that connects the FETS to the case has a much smaller area and is already limited by being a thermal pad. so I’m guessing the case to plate interface can keep up even with a much lower thermal conduction rate. hmm.
It’s hard to say, while they are is smaller, the FETs are hotter than the case, so the rate of thermal transfer between it and the case, even through a thermal pad can be higher resistance, can be higher, and also the cooler you can keep the case, the more heat goes from the FETs to it
Ok, before making changes and doing the thermal interface focbox->plate experimentI wanted to gather some data.
I initially planed to do this on proto#2 but it’s having it’s own issues now with a DRV fault. after previously having blown the FETS on the other focbox.
So, Let me do these tests with proto#1 (10s5p 20700b 20T/62T 155mm tire diameter )
this is my thermal test run ESCs temps shows 77 and 88. 84m climb over about 2km distance. a bit steeper at the end.
it’s interesting the two temps were that different. perhaps I should replace the internal thermal pad before doing the ESC -> aluminum plate experiment.
Hmm. that temp difference correlates with a motor and battery current difference between the two ESCs.
wonder what that is and how it would muck up my experiments.
so weird… swap ESCs and see if this follows the ESC…
somehow I missed this. I’m not hitting 80c on the bench.
just hitting 80c fairly easy on a hill. or carving hard.
hmm.
Presumably swap motors first step. that’s easiest.
Then swap receiver and CAN setup next…
So here’s a theory. what if one motor is a few KV lower than the other. my primary is 184kv vs 182kv on the secondary ( according to lambda based calculation from FOC detection of lamda) or 175kv vs 170kv (according to BLDC detection + kv command in vesc_tool )
the primary has the higher kv, the higher temp, and the descrepancy is largest when i as at 95% dutycle for a stretch at the beginning there.
blah. words.
VESC flux linkage measurement is about 10% under compared to oscilloscope measurement.
@fessyfoo does that count?
Forget about the thing in front, the white box with dual side heatsinks? It was sized for bare ESCapes but not really e-board related (for a board it can be made smaller and boxier)
Eventually for a MTB with top mount
taking that plate out is invasive, and will be a pain. deferred a bit.
So I did a different experiment on a diff board, proto#2
Both focboxes replaced now with focbox 1.6. ( supposedly cooler on their own vs 1.7? )
Also replaced their thermal pads (fet to case) with Thermal Grizzly minus 8 thermal pads. ( 8 W/mK )
I then did my heat run
I think it did really well. never broke 80c.
the run has 3 phases of hill. often I could get close to 80c on the first phase and consistently on the second phase. With this setup on a hot day ( 34c esc temp to start) I made it all the way to the top without breaking 80c on the ESC. ( and motors got too hot. )
Not too scientific as I don’t have a good record with before data on this proto#2.
163’C motor???
That’s sensor noise.