Bafang 350W 26in hubs from Jag35 / Battery Clearing House

I’ve so far found mostly huge options, (Ws28 1.5") that are rated for 50A but are way overkill at 500v. Or Julet/Higo connectors that are only inline with no panel connector options, and they’re 50$ or so each…

I know they make mini versions of julet as well but I haven’t checked out amperage ratings. It’d be smart of them to use larger gauge wire on the 3 larger phase pins. I hope they did

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I was considering making a question thread about this. I’ve found some Julet connectors on ebay but they don’t list the amperage rating as a table which is slightly strange.
Its disappointing there are so few options. I’ve seen anyway.

One of the guys on endless sphere is pretty sure the connector is Higo Z910.
He provided this as the standard pinout

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Good tip! See if he can find an esc that works well with it. I’m trying my hardest to avoid having to guess which hall is which.

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I’m searching for a controller. I’ll let you know what I come up with.
I found this site which appears to be where he got the diagram

https://www.ebikes.ca/news/controller-motor-higo/

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I thought this one was going to be fine but the supplier says no for some reason.

Not sure if I want to try anyway or not :sweat_smile:

Higos aren’t easy to unpin unfortunately

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Pehaps becazuse this is a geared hub and that ESC is for DD hubs

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Yeah that makes sense :sweat_smile:

https://www.ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/controllers/c4820-gr-higo.html#

This guy might be the winner.

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Doesn’t make sense it won’t work… According to this Amazon link:

and their 3rd picture:

, their 750watt controller have different pin-outs than their 250-500 watt controllers. Perhaps they thinking you are asking about the 750w or 1000w controllers, which have 3 big pins, while the lower watts controller are Bafang 9 pins?

I am thinking of trying this set from PSWPower:

http://www.pswpower.com/ven.php?cargo.2020-3y-gq0f

If you want to un-pin the Higo Z910, I would get this cable: http://www.pswpower.com/ven.php?cargo.2019-7h-j6qk (the KT-M-cable version),
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than should be able to hookup to any non-waterproof controllers.

Great3

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That same supplier sells the whole Bafang conversion kit (which looks to be geared hub motor to me) with the 48v 500w controller.

I believe this is their AliExpress store front:

If that same controller works with Bafang, I would think it will work with Bafang G020.350 motor. Of course, I may be wrong, since I don’t have any experience with their controller either, but consider it versus the one from PSWPower.

The Ebikes.ca seems to be a very nice controller, but cost so much more than the motor itself :slight_smile:

Great3

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I was just guessing it was a configuration thing (never used one of those chinese Ebike ESCs) so they were just telling @Venom121212 the configuration it ships in.

idek just gonna use a vesc anyway. Lolz all that fuss y’all going through MR60s and a FOC 4 liiiife (jk new to this laifstiiel)

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According to the same ebike.ca website,

https://www.ebikes.ca/learn/connectors.html

"The Z910 plug is a popular one to find in lower power hub motors systems. It has 3 phase wire terminals good for about 30-40 amps of max current, the 5 hall sensor wires, and a 6th wire that is normally used as a wheel speed sensor in geared motors, or as a motor temperature sensor. Usually this is just called a “9 pin motor” or “waterproof motor” plug, which isn’t all that precise. One of the challenges with a single motor plugs that contains all the phase and hall pins is that the motor hall and phase pin mapping needs to be correct, and as anyone who has mixed and matched different brushless motors and controllers knows this is not always a simple colour to colour matching. Fortunately, since Bafang largely standardized on this connector they have established the meaining of each phase and hall wire so that controllers and motors using this plug from different vendors are largely compatible."

I am counting on that last sentence not to bite me. LOL!!!

Great3

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Thanks for all the feedback @Great3. I questioned them about specifically the smaller model because it has the higo and mentioned bafang hubs. It even shows a photo of it with a rear hub in another listing.

That kt-m and a kt-f (female version?) cable might just be the key to saving myself a headache, thank you again for that!

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Every Vendor calls the cable something different.

Here is another vendor using that same type of cable, since they don’t sell waterproof controllers:

Disclaimer: I never brought from all of the sellers I linked in all my posts before. I don’t have experience with any of them, so I can’t vouch for them personally. I am posting info that I found only.

Great3

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Both generic higo cabled escs I’ve looked at on ebay have given me the same reasons for why the controller may not work:

1 says the “linear ordering” is different.

The other says:

No idea how to tell if it’s using uart on a bike unless they just mean for the display. I thought bldc motors pretty much all used 3 phase wires and then optionally sensor wires.

How come you guys aren’t just planning to use a Vesc with these hub motors? Most hub motor wiring is standardized. Usually black is ground, red is positive, and white is the temp sensor. The temp sensor usually runs between the white and ground and you can verify by reading around 10k ohms on a DMM. The other 3 colors are the hall sensor inputs. Doesn’t really help if you wanna re-use that connector though…

@Venom121212 he has to be talking about the ESC control input being UART, which probably means you can’t just use one of those ebike hall sensor throttles.

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Ah fuck that makes obvious sense. I will only be using this bike for fun cruises around the park and to see if I can get my wife to bike with me while I skate so I’m not trying to dump extra money into it. The ebike non programmable escs are so cheap and it’s not a very strong hub at 36v 250W.

This is the equivalent of my generic hub motor skateboard with random Chinese esc setup. A shit kicker.

Those split out higo cables look like an easy fix for incompatibility though.

I’ve seen way more escs that use those connectors that I could repin until I get the right hall sensor order. Your info is sincerely appreciated. :pray:

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@Venom121212 those adaptors look like a good test, The colors match the last hub i took apart red +5v, black GND, white temp, yellow blue and green are hall output. So you could probably plug it in, test the ground and white for the thermistor and if it is it’s probably wired the same. From there could put voltage to the red wire and test for each hall output.

I’ve also been able to run 2000 watts to a 500 watt hub motor I got off of eBay, 80 phase amps, 50 batt amps on 12S and my temps stay under 85C. We might be able to push way more then 250 watts to these hubs as long as we watch the temps

EDIT On these hubs the white wire is actually a hall sensor speed input

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Ah so that’s where the vesc would be most helpful then.

Shit, now you’re making my cheap project cool and expensive.

All the ebike throttles I’ve stumbled across so far are 3 or 4 cable ppm for the generic escs, not a standard esk8 vesc uart port like I’d normally see.

Do you have an ebike throttle you’ve used before with a programmable esc I could check out?

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