Looking for a gear drive suspension off road board as an upgrade from my Exway Atlas. Nyx 3 seems to have good reviews and a good bang for the buck.
One thing I don’t like about my Atlas is the lack of low end torque to get moving in low traction situations, climbing over rocks, or on steep hills even though it’s 4 wheel drive. I sometimes have to push to get momentum to get all the motors pulling since there is no traction control and only the motor with the least traction will start pulling first, and since the motors are relatively small a single motor, (4240 160kv), doesn’t have enough torque on its own. Also I have to keep my speed up higher than I’d like in some situations to prevent the board from bogging down and end up bailing out if I can’t keep my balance. I’m hoping the larger motors on the Nyx, (6890 150kv), even though there are only 2, would help in these situations. I am a bit concerned about only having 2 wheel drive going up steep hills. I’d probably get the mid range 1036 wh pack, not sure if the Samsung S pack is worth the extra $200 over the E pack?
Motor size doesn’t deliver more torque exactly, they just overheat slower for a given amperage - but this is hugely simplified.
The larger motor will be able to handle more torque I guess is a better way to describe it. Your battery and esc will deliver more torque, so if you can up the output of your current setup (within its ability to do so) it might get you in better shape?
Acedeck boards seem to have a pretty good reputation and the one time I’ve gotten to try once i was really impressed with the torque and feel of the ride, but I can’t comment on it specifically, the 140a esc seems to me like it will be torquey and keep you moving - i feel a pretty significant improvement from 100a (50a a side) to 130 (65 battery amps a motor).
Samsung 50s excel under 25a a cell. They help imho get you longer range at lower output but are pretty similar in actual output to p42a / p42b when used at higher amps. If you’re after torque go for the molicel pack - range and more chill go for 50s.
Have you looked into the MBS Agent series? That’s what I would get if going for a pre-built. MBS have been leaders in the mountain boarding industry for a long time. They purposely designed their board to be DIY friendly and that hot swap battery setup is really cool. It costs a little more but less proprietary crap and a few different build options to fit different budgets.
Doesn’t a larger motor have a larger lever arm to deliver more torque?
Google AI summary:
“A “rotor size and torque” graph typically shows a positive correlation, meaning as the rotor size increases, the maximum torque that can be produced by a motor also increases; this is because a larger rotor allows for more magnetic flux interaction, generating higher torque”
Exactly, my statement is a simplification of eskate usage and in this situation the motor is not the bottleneck for torque so much as the ability of the battery to drive that torque through the esc is the bottleneck.
Ignoring gear ratios and wheel size and everything else and assuming they’re staying the same: if you were to swap out the 4240 motors with 6890 motor, you wouldn’t see any significant increase in torque. You have to look at the total system: battery amps +esc amps + motors and keep them all in mind when upgrading.
The motor will be your limit for how much torque you can put down over time - bigger will do more for longer before overheating (remember im just simplifying here and you already know it’s a bit more complicated )
The battery and the cells and how it’s made will set the maximum battery amps the esc can draw.
The esc will take the available power and send that to the motor to make torque.
I just wanted to make sure you had an understanding of this and didn’t just grab whatever had the larger motors with the expectation that this means more torque, when it more likely means just that it CAN have more torque, if that makes sense? Sounds like you’re on the right track
As far as these battery options, the 50s will do more for longer than the 50e with less sag. Not sure why they don’t have molicel options but im not savvy about the business aspects that determine that. With all of these being 14s packs - larger p groups will be able to deliver more current. What’s the size of your current battery in watt hours and are you happy with it? Bigger tires and output will use more watts but what’s your baseline?
The Atlas has a 518Wh,12S3P pack and I’m running 8 inch Trampa Mudpluggers with 66T pulleys. Run time is plenty for me so the larger Acedeck packs should be more than enough.
Awesome, if you do see yourself upgrading to 4wd or wanting to tinker with it more, @SirVesa ’s advise to get the mbs board is spot on. Though the suspension trucks are kinda a niche thing if you’re set on them there aren’t a lot of options im aware of. Post updates, id love to hear what you get and how it performs
Yeah I was wondering how hard it might be to add a front drive unit and esc if I felt the need at some point. Anyone know if they included battery connection points for that?
I had a Z3 with the 14s6p 50E pack (they didn’t have as many battery options when I had mine). It was a lot of fun to ride, and the acceleration felt great. The suspension trucks can be finicky - you need to check the hardware to make sure nothing came loose if riding offroad a lot, but it’s nothing too crazy. The Element gear drives might be my favorite gear drives I’ve used. They are incredibly quiet. The MBS Agent looks like a killer board and I would love to own one also. The batteries won’t get you the same range if that’s what you’re after.
I used custom adapters to run MBS Rockstar XL hubs on my Z3 with 9” tires and it’s 100% the way to go with that board. Makes it better in every way. (Linn also has wheels that adapt easily also)
Ive had a few good mountain rides on the ace deck Nyx z3. It is worth it at the low price point.
Cons:
non DIYable
very narrow center of balance
high maintenance (lots of screws to check)
Thicc wheels make carving weird
Thicc remote
Pros:
Great customer service
Great turning radius
Very responsive suspension
Very nice looking
Inexpensive
Probably has all the power you need for 2wd work
Conundrum: I went to pull the trigger on the board with the 1036Wh Samsung 50S battery but it’s in China with a potential 40+ day shipping time. US stock has the 777Wh 50S battery and the 1036Wh 50E battery. Thoughts?
From what I can tell they aren’t really on the same level, (belt vs gears, Lishen cells vs Samsung, etc.), and I’ve seen a number of issues with Propel products.
How far do you plan on riding it? The 50E were ok for me but I had the 6P elite battery. I don’t think I’d go with them with smaller P count. Id probably order it from China and wait personally, but that’s me. Ask them if pull get whacked with any additional tariffs and such also.
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