I tried contacting Other Planed as they were going under to see if I could help them with some of our urethane but they ever responded
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I actually meant to ask you what you were contacting them about, since I saw the facebook post.
Even though I was involved with the truck, I never was really involved with the company.
Soon as money and investors were involved, the people who actually made the truck were out.
Access to urethane was never really the problem. The issue was that the owner decided to order the parts and materials for like 500 trucks up front burning out most of the investment money up front.
So even though from day one we were always hoping to move to Urethane, the company was stuck with neoprene cams and butyl O-rings.
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Pretty cool concept. Would have been fun to play with different ramping ratios and fulcrum points.
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@evoheyax One reason Moe might not want you to do this is because he doesnāt want his name on something that could go very very wrong. He has worked on 3links for years and made them strong enough so that they wonāt snap while your brand new design hasnāt been tested or prototyped and is doing a very different way of things. Yours could easily end up being very fatal by just using the wrong material in one spot. You are developing a truck off of his design but using the things about his design that he has slowly gotten rid of. The angles are way off, the axle is different just to name a few.
From Moeās perspective you are entering this going all wrong. You didnāt contact him for development help, material help, geometry and angle help. He doesnāt want to be linked with that but if it goes wrong his name WILL be linked with your version of 3links wether he likes it or not. When people have a slight problem they are most likely going to go to you and Moe for help. This seems like something Moe does not want to handle especially when it seems like he is heavily leaning towards you not doing this.
@MoeStooge please correct me if Iām looking into this wrong but I think I got the closest to your point of view on this matter as I have seen.
Thatās just my thoughts and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Actually I doubt this very much.
There seems to be some very specific behaviors you could describe from what I could tell when I was messing with them.
And any getting around them would likely make the truck functionally different, defeating much of the point of emulating them in the first place.
But none of that is really relevant.
Personally, Iād like to see this design developed in as many ways as possible, and the more people willing to experiment with it the better. Thatās why Iām in this thread in the first place, interest in where it could go.
I would highly encourage any effort to keep making and developing.
The sticky parts of the situation is developing it as a product you intend to sell, and the association with Moe.
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I always thought it was a couple guys experimenting with trucks in their workshop and sharing their experiences on YouTube which was explained by the 3d printed parts, plastic bottle shims and threaded rods for axles
I was wrong 
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I actually found nothing stating that you have a certain amount of time to do a patent. I know one guy who just got a patent pending for a design he does that he has put on every board for the past 4 years. Patents do take time but he was talking about it within the last year and a half.
And a Patent would stop exact copies like you have here. In my companies line of work it is said once you come up with an idea and show it to someone to start the manufacturing process in China by lunch time there is a factory down the street copying. Come the following week it is being produced and every factory that can do it. This is just wrong for you to blatantly copy his design.
It could have been approached a lot better on your part like working with Moe. Or atleast send him a PM or email saying hey this is what I was thinking of doing is this ok. Because it seems like its a douche move that a douche mover would do.
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Itās pretty clear that you havenāt read this entire thread and are jumping in in the middle. Iām not going to go back to go back to how this was started and how I first approached moe.
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The new base plate wasnāt made by moe. It was made by lucier. He did the cad design and had it made, my understanding with some input on geometry from moe.
As far as I know, moe does not know 3D modeling software.
In this case, lucier isnāt trying to share the design so Iām sure thatās why Moes ok with it.
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I think you know this but @JaysTCB is JLā¦ Moe and Jason worked on the baseplate together if my brain serves me rightā¦
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I would of love to work with him. He did not seem interested in this. I had try to steer conversations to this in the past and it was clear to me he didnāt want to work with more people than he already was.
I shares my ideas with him and I got silenceā¦ Not until I post them on here so I get the first indication that he doesnāt seem happy. To which we talked for hours on the phone. Again, I said if you donāt want me to do this, tell me to stop and will. He didnātā¦
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When I first saw this base plate, it was in the context of ālook at what lucier has madeāā¦
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Oh, when Moe showed me the baseplate awhile back he said it as something him and Jason were doing together. He said it in the sense that the 3links he now sells were going to be using that baseplate.
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If thatās the case, then I would argue where we are going looks quite different, at least on the surface.
At this point, Iāve said everything I have to say. Everyone has their position. And I donāt feel like anyone is going to āwinā or āloseā here. It is what it is.
When Brandon shows a 3 link turner For the hummie hub v6 thatās ready for the mass market, then I wonāt make any for anyone but myself and close friends.
This started because I donāt want to keep asking Brandon for new trucks every year that thereās a new hummie hub and after seeing the failures I have seen, I donāt feel 100% safe on The current design.
Itās like seeing Jacobs hub motors and saying āwell he made them first so I guess I need to stick with this slipping urethane and shorting motors that could kill meā. John came a long and saw ways to fix these issues and more, so he did.
My intention was never to step over moe or steal his work to gain rewards. I simply wanted to make my own improvements and push the movement forward. And as it is now, Iām not in competition with him. And Iām not seeking any profits.
You either see his side, my side, or both sides of the argument. But I donāt think anyoneās minds are going to change at this point.
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Hey buddy!
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Aka the god who makes dope foot wedges and rides fast 
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Or better yet:
āSpherical bearingā seems good no?
If they can do big enough angle.
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Holup.
So who has the permission slips for using balljoints on skateboards?
Iām confused.
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Tire iron?
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I would argue that all of these designs are actually comprised of a 4 bar linkage so why they called 3-link trucks?
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