So there seems to be a lot of hate about this and I didn’t really want to get into the nitty gritty details. But since I feel like I’m being pushed into a corner, I need to give more back story.
On the surface, my design and moe’s design may look the same. I rest assure you that they are not the same.
Moe uses thinner, regular rods
I use a splined axle
Moe uses a round collet with a thin little plate to connect the heim to the axle
I use a splined cnc milled plate made of chromoly steel.
Moe takes plates of chromoly, draws on them, cuts them and hammers and welds them to make a base plate
I cnc mill a base plate from 6061 aluminum
Moe welds a nut to the base plate he makes to attach the center end link
I add threads into the base plate to attach the center end link
Moe attaches the links using bolts and nuts
I add threads to both my heim plate and base plate and use screws with nylon inserts to resist vibrations
And there’s many more details that are different.
The rest of the parts in both of our designs are off the shelf parts.
I do NOT use the same dimensions of anything (rod lengths, rod angles, heim plate angles, distance between the heim plates, base plate length, distance between the links on the base plate).
So you can say this is Brandons design, but I will argue with you all day that it is not.
He came up with a set of principles, much like the inventors of the rpk/tpk truck. Today, there’s around a dozen manufacturers making this style of truck, and due to that, they are the trucks of choice for most skateboarders. Their popularity is in part due to the availability because many manufacturers make them.
However, they do NOT use the same design. Some have split, removable rods, some at cnc milled, some are casted, they have different shapes and rod lengths ect. They all work on the same principle, but they do not use the same design.
That being said, lets look at why I am doing this…
It’s been over 2 years since I first road one of moes boards at the Evolve world cup and set a track record for the fastest lap ever recorded. I realized then how much potential these trucks had.
Fast forward 2 years and how many people around the world are riding them? A small handful. They just aren’t publicly available. John has messaged moe asking to make some more for the hummie hubs to sell with them and didn’t get anywhere. So the logical solution to to make my own.
My motivation from this is not to profiteer off of this, it’s to design what I think is the most solid, over built 3 link turner money can produce and get it in serious eskaters hands. I could take a dozen short cuts that would save money, but I don’t. If I were about the money, I could make these as cheap as possible and charge 5x the cost like china does.
Currently, it costs significantly more for me to make a set with my design than it does for moe to make a set with his design. Maybe my design is overkill. But I don’t want to ever see one fail. Everything is super thick chromoly steel except the base plate to save some weight. And even that is 6mm thick.
Now as to me doing this without moes approval. I first asked him over a year ago when he was going to get these into production. He didn’t tell me about any plans then. I mentioned to him that I wanted to make these and sell them with the hummie hubs. I got silence. And then over a month ago, I sent him my first designs before anyone else saw them. I thought I was clear in my intentions and again, silence.
I have since talked to him about it over the phone for almost 2 hours and he has relaid his concerns and his personal goals.
This is not happening behind his back with the intention of taking his design and making a quick buck.
This is to provide a product that is not currently available to the masses.
The reality is that I’m not the first to want to use these principles and I won’t be the last.
You could argue that every person who made a wheel after the first guy invented the wheel is stealing his design. But you can’t expect every person after the first will need to reinvent the wheel…
I have no intentions of stepping on moes toes or anything malice. As far as moe has relayed to me, he has no intention of EVER making 3 link turners to sell to the public for the hummie hubs… I’m simply trying to offer something that doesn’t exist.