What do cell ratings actually tell us? Part 1B: Resting vs Under-Load Voltages

These voltages show us how the cell reacts to being used, or not used. They aren’t ratings or specs but they are important concepts for being able to best use the datasheet information.

Resting Voltage
This is the voltage of the cell or battery pack when it has had a chance to rest after being used or charged. All of the datasheet specs are based on the resting voltage.

Under-Load Voltage
This is the voltage of the cell or battery pack while it is being used, while it is “under load”. It is always lower than the resting voltage because of the voltage drop (“voltage sag”) caused by the internal resistance of the cell/pack.

This is not the true cell/pack voltage! It is just a lower temporary voltage seen only when it is being used. The voltage rises back up some once you stop. How much it rises depends on on how hard you were using the cell/pack.

Why is the difference between these two important?
The decisions we make about how hard we can use a cell need to take into account the differences between the resting and under-load voltages. It’s also important to mention which one of these is being discussed when talking to someone about cell performance or safety.

For example, the 2.5V low voltage spec for a “standard” li-ion cell is the resting voltage. If we are using a cell and the voltage sags down to 2.5V but bounces back up to 2.8V (or some other voltage) then we have not discharged that cell to 2.5V. The voltage sag that caused the temporarily lower voltage only made it seem like we discharged it that far. In this example we have only discharged it to 2.8V.

But if we used a cell and then stopped for a while (at least several minutes) and the voltage only rose back up to 2.5V then we should not discharge it any further. This cell has had time to settle to its true (resting) voltage and it’s down at the 2.5V low voltage rating for the cell. We should stop using this cell and charge it.

When someone says “never go below 3.0V per cell”, or some other level, it’s important to know if they are talking about the resting or under-load voltage.

Going to 3.0V/cell while being used is a lot less stressful to a cell than taking a cell down to the point where it only rises back up to 3.0V after a couple of hours. Using a cell until it drops to 3.0V means it might bounce back up to 3.3V or even a higher once you stop. But that cell with the 3.0V resting voltage might have been discharged to 2.8V or even a lot lower. This can create more heat and age the cell faster.

Charging Voltage Sag
This is a third example of a “phantom” voltage. While charging a cell or pack you will see the opposite of what happens during discharge. The internal resistance of the cell cause a voltage rise instead of the voltage drop (sag) seen during discharge.

This is what causes the cell voltage to almost always read lower than 4.20V after charging to that voltage. The resting voltage might be pretty high, 4.19V, or it could be a lot lower, 4.15V, if the cell was older and had a lot of internal resistance or if you were charging very quickly.

This usually has very little effect on how completely the cell was charged since most chargers keep going until the current has dropped to a certain level, they are not fooled by this phantom voltage rise.

But if your cells are dropping down to around a 4.15V resting voltage, or lower, then I recommend charging slower to minimize the voltage rise in the cell. Some chargers are more sensitive to this voltage rise that than others and all chargers are affected by it a bit at high charging current levels.

Examples of Resting and Under-Load Voltages
Examples of a cell at its resting voltage are easy to find, just don’t use the cell for a couple of hours. You can get a good idea of its resting voltage after a few minutes, perhaps just a couple of minutes, but it takes up to a few hours to come to its final resting voltage.

The under-load voltage can be seen any time a cell is being used. The harder you use the cell the bigger the difference between the resting and under-load voltages.

If you are a vaper you might have noticed this happening while taking a puff with a regulated device (with a display). The cell voltage/percentage or the number of “battery bars” will drop when you take a puff but then go back up when you stop. The higher the power setting, the larger the voltage drop will be.

If you have ever checked the voltage of your battery pack when riding an electric skateboard or e-bike you might have noticed the voltage dropping whenever you accelerate and then going back up when you are just cruising. This is the voltage sag difference between low power cruising and the high power being drawn from the battery pack when accelerating.

The under-load voltage effect isn’t only visible when comparing it to the resting voltage. The under-load voltage difference can also be seen when using a cell/pack at two different power levels (like when cruising or accelerating with an e-bike).

Using Resting and Under-Load Voltages Properly
If we wanted to always stay above 3.0V/cell (or some other voltage) to extend cell life then we should be paying attention to the resting voltage we bring the cells down to, not the under-load voltage.

This means we can discharge our cells to under 3.0V (or whatever you chose) as long as the voltage rises back up to at least 3.0V in a couple of minutes.

If you stopped when the cells reached 3.0V/cell under load that means you might have only discharged them down to a 3.2V-3.5V (or even higher) resting voltage. This is certainly better for the cell, helping to extend its life even more, but you are missing out on the additional run time you could get by using the cells down to a 3.0V resting voltage.

How much a cell’s/pack’s voltage rises back up when you stop using it depends on how hard you are using the cell/pack. A powerbank user might have to stop at 2.90V to be sure the voltage rises back up to 3.0V. But a high power vaper or PEV rider might be able to run the cells down to 2.5V each and still have them rise back up to over a 3.0V resting voltage. You’ll have to experiment to see how your setup responds.

High power battery pack users should be very careful though if bringing the voltages down low to maximize running time (while still having a decently high resting voltage).

If the cells in the pack are unbalanced or aging, and you do not have a BMS monitoring each cell for low voltage, then you could force one or more cells down to a very low voltage. This can possibly harm the cell.

I recommend monitoring the voltage of each cell, instead of just the pack voltage, to make sure you are not overdischarging any of them. I think 2.5V under load is a good minimum to stay above to give you a bit of a safety margin.

That should give you a little idea of how a cell responds when used and at rest. Knowing how the resting and under-load voltages are different, and how to best use them, is important for getting the most out of your cells. This is true if you are staying well within the cell’s ratings or going far beyond them.

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Always an interesting read when you post brotha.

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Nice read, thanks for being a good resource as usual.

I’ve always been a little unclear, does the phantom voltage have any effect on safety either? Like if I’m trying to fast charge and I know I have 0.03V/cell of voltage rise, would it be unsafe to terminate at 4.23V/cell so it drops down to 4.20? Or if VESC could be set to permit a small amount of overvoltage for regen brakes. Never done this, but I’m curious to know if the option exists.

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AFAIK cells can charge to 4.25v just fine, this will just hurt cycle life a bit. There’s so little capacity above 4.15v that there’s no point and you’re likely better off just letting it drop down to 4.15 for better cycle life

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Yeah, that’s where I usually stop the charge too. I was just thinking of the 1% of trips where I need max range.

Most of our cells are rated to 4.20V nominal, 4.25 max, so 4.23V shouldn’t be a big issue. It is abusing the cells though. LOL…I guess we can say that about 4.20V too if our priority might be longest cell life.

I don’t enough to know how much additional risk is added by going over 4.25V. The higher and longer you do it the worse it is, and cells are much more sensitive to overvoltage than undervoltage, but I don’t know enough to be able to quantify the risk.

I have to fall back on erring on the side of caution and to recommend not exceeding 4.20V and if it happens to lower the voltage as soon as possible.

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A thermometer might be able to quantify it lol.


Fig. 1: Cursed discharge graph

I guess that confirms we have the option to squeeze ~1Wh/cell extra out of a pack if it’s charged right before you ride… hardly ever gonna be worth it, really. I might set my charge termination a little high if I ever want to avoid the CV segment of the charge cycle though. Thanks Mooch :+1:

That voltage curve verrry quickly goes vertical to the left of the graph. You might get another 10mAh stuffed into a cell brought to 4.30V or so, about 0.042Wh. Most definitely not worth the risk and cell damage IMO.

Charging right before you ride however can warm up the pack, hopefully only a bit, and that lowers its internal resistance and can help to increase range a bit.

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Thank you so much mooch for all of these extremely educational posts recently! It’s been so great to get this kind of in-depth knowledge.

[Addn.] Does anyone have knowledge on how the minimum voltage cutoff settings in VESCTool apply to under-load voltage vs. Resting voltage? Do VESC settings cut voltage off if it says to the specified point or does it not care about that and only bring down the power when the true/resting voltage is at the specified value?

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Good to know, thanks for clearing that up for me.
I mean, you’ve shattered my youthful optimism that linear extrapolation is universally applicable, leaving me a defeated husk of my former self, but thanks.

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