I charge my 12s10p Tesla Model 3 pack with no BMS, with a YZ-Power 6A charger. Since there’s no BMS in the circuit, I am relying entirely on the charger to cut off at the right time. Every time I fully charge my battery, it has come to a resting voltage of exactly 50.4V (according to my VESC). I have not measured what the voltage of the pack is in the instant that the charger cuts off.
2A charger = 42.5v measured via multimeter. My shuntmeter only shows 42.2v interestingly enough. (bms stops at 41.8v ish)
5A charger = 41.77v (lowered via Pot. Not sure its original voltag)
12A 12s charger = 50.2Xv (Lowered via Pot from 50.5v)
Most chargers have a pot you can adjust inside to get the voltage you want. I generaly adjust all my personal chargers to 50.4 sometimes 50v so after charge sag takes its toll the battery rests around 4.17-4.18v per cell.
I have a cheap voltmeter inline between my charger and board. It shows ~0.5v higher than the battery voltage shows on from BT telemetry. It seems to slowly raise voltage as the battery charges.
@Battery_Mooch most of my chargers are within 0.1v. I think the make of BMS makes a bigger difference in how closely the end of charge level lands for me.
And I’d add charger as well. I’ve got a 1.5a 12s laptop charger that can almost hit 50.4v. Hits usually around 49v. But if I use my 4.5a charger (adjustable voltages and amps. Paid $80 for it) and its hit 50.4v all day long. All done through an LLT smart bms
Hmm…I wonder if the charger turns on its output, “looks” for a pack, and if it doesn’t start to deliver current then it turns off and tries again a short time later. I can’t think of why it would do that though.
I’m assuming the charger is stable without being connected to a pack and isn’t just sitting there oscillating wildly.
One point I should have added is that the evolve chargers all seemed to stop charging my board at different points… Generally around 41.2V. When I say “stop charging”, of course I mean led light turned green
I always assumed that was when the electrical elves began balancing the electrons between my p groups until I made that meter and saw it sometimes turned the led green at 41V and sometimes 42.0V.
@b264 also has experienced some of the evolve charger weirdness iirc.
Yes those Evolve / MDA / enertion / Metroboard chargers are nice, they will go to 42.0V but then cut off and not turn back on until the voltage falls to like 40.5V - ish, if I recall. Some of them cut at 41.5V.
It is normal for the green and red light to only represent the charge current dropping below the threshold. It is extremely rare that the light changing colour is terminating the charge.
3 things I think could be are happening hear
A. It could be a very cheep dirty PWM supply
B. It could be trying to ramp up the voltage because the amps draw is so low but detecting the battery is not holding it and restarting the cycle.
C. It might have an over volte protective devise built in. Ramps up the voltage detecting an over volt because the load is so small and cutting the charge then the over volt safety devise resets as voltage is then below threashold and cycle repeats.