Weird theories and ideas thread! any ideas welcome

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@Flyboy

Would I be able to make a board with like 45 degrees of lean, running 15 degree truck angles that can handle extreme speeds AND ALSO short track racing? IDK, but in order to figure out the optimal point on this trend I’d hafta identify how far you can run with it before it starts making the skateboard worse again.

The problem you are going to run into is that there’s a point you don’t want to go below in angles, because it makes racing too much effort. I know it’s a very long read, but if you go over my build thread and see the adjustments I’ve been making over time, nowadays it’s going up in angles not down. And that’s to make it more competitive on short track.

@Titoxd1000

There is definitely a point of diminishing returns going lower on the angles. I found that to be around 30/10 depending to the wheelbase. Below that, steering is slow and takes to much effort to get around tight turns on track. Street riding lower angles was doable and lots of fun for deep carves. For best of both worlds 40-50 total angles front and rear is what I would recommend.

It depends on wheelbase, deck flex, maybe even axle to standing platform height. On a Haero deck I could go as low as 25/10 and it was insanely fun on the streets. But for track 30/10 just felt better. Less effort, less tiring to ride when you have frequent direction changes.

Now I’m on a Tomiboi Hellhound with a carbon layer on the bottom. It’s not extremely stiff, but you can’t feel flex during riding. Wheelbase is 41.5", 1" less than a V5, so quite long. Axle height mostly inline with standing platform. I am currently running it at 35 degrees in the front and 12.5 in the rear… And it clearly works really well. But I’m still considering adding an extra 2.5 degrees to the front, just to make it a bit less tiring on short track.

@Flyboy

Which is a really long-winded way of me asking if anyone can measure the articulation of some Matrix trucks with the blocks removed.

The only channels basically I don’t have experience with is Matrix III. With the rest, I just kept having issues with kingpin tightness causing slop all the time. I don’t recommend going this way. Also channels have a high amount of positive rake while dualities are rakeless. Rake can be fun, but for racing and straight line stability you want rakeless. Also people with similar setup preferences like me who tried propel’s ADT trucks (which have adjustable damping) said that the lowest setting felt best. So I’m not convinced that a steering damper would be a good idea either.

@CHAINMAILLEKID

The problem you’re going to run into with this approach is grip.
I’m not sure exactly how it works, or why, but low angle trucks with a lot of lean and low resistance don’t bite the pavement in the same way, and they don’t have a defined line between gripping and drifting. But they do drift like butter compared to the other end of the spectrum.

I definitely don’t have any grip issues. Loss of grip depending on the tire can feel quite violent, definitely not buttery.

Duality Trucks by Tito Systems

Today I just claimed 3rd place in the T-race rankings on my Duality build. 0.56 left to go to take 1st space. Given that my time drop from yesterday was 0.28, it’s not implausible that I’ll have it soon! Also loose trucks ftw

Have a look at the video on the bottom of this post on how loose I run my front truck. Although it’s worth saying that the bushings are WFB meaning that they actually have a fairly steady center compared to what you’d expect from the video, even though they can lean in so effortlessly.