Tantrum build: 210 dualities, tangent deck, 18s4p rs50, rs125s, d100s, custom brackets, BOTY 2026!!!

Yes but: has to go a full season without modification to go to version 2.0 - this is technically v 1.42069

Ill release a balance patch when the doc says i can use my cartilage again. Real talk tho - this board is so fun to work on but way more fun to ride around, need to slap it back together as soon as my pain level drops and my re-injury risk is lower. Wish me luck - going in for an mri tomorrow

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What happened?

About 15 years ago, I kid you not. I had a trapeze accident. Dislocated both of my shoulders and tore up all the cartilage and ligaments. Dr. told me that I could get surgery now or wait until it gets really bad and thereby postpone the inevitable arthritis that adding all that scar tissue to my shoulder will cause.

Dock said that without surgery, my shoulders will deteriorate until they dislocate constantly in all the time. As it’s progressed, I haven’t had unmanageable issues with it until recently. I had a really minor fall, and when I went knees and palms to slide out my right shoulder dislocated, which is normal for me. But now it’s not recovering like it normally does and my shoulder just keeps popping out of socket a little bit less than once a day. Used up all my borrowed time I guess. I’ll probably have six weeks after surgery where I can’t do shit, but I can’t do shit now so I might as well get it started.

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I realize getting old beats the alternative… but it sure doesn’t make it any easier…

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Dang, both shoulders dislocated at once?

What was your trapeze name. the flying bananna?

When Mine right dislocated it 16 months ago, my supraspinitus snapped clean off the bone, as did 2/3rds of my subscalpularis and partially separated my AC joint.

My MRI 3 months ago revealed the muscles have not atrophied, miraculously, but the orthopedist outfit I saw I have zero faith in.

ā€˜Oh, we are not worried about your subscalpularis’

Says right in the MRI report ā€œfull thickness tear of mid to superior subscalpularis!ā€

They were calling me the next day to schedule surgery.

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Not actually a performer, just had access to the equipment and some of experienced teachers. I always did lots of climbing and semi acrobatic extracurriculars. It’s actually pretty easy with the forces involved to get injured doing trapeze - my only mistake and the cause of my injury was just not locking in when still new and developing the specific muscles for the effort. Then it ended up killing my ability to climb and i stopped mountaineering too. I had dropped all my skating and splitboarding and swimming so no surfing too until i got into eskate and longboarding.

It’s a big part of why i love eskate so much as it’s been a window back into some of the feelings i chased pre-injury that i thought were locked off from me anymore. Granted falling hands and knees to slide has more risks and recovery for me now but it’s within the bounds of doable.

Doc says i have no restrictions besides take it down a fucking notch :rofl:. Still need to get the mri but all my range of motion is there and it’s more a matter of recovery and inflammation. Mri is actually next steps after this - i was mistaken. Then ill get an assessment of the severity of the damage. Im just forbidden from falling - hub board is back in the front running now and my 12kw boards are gonna be gathering dust for a couple months.

Pic of me bout ta drop in and fall on my ass:

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Good that you have full range of motion. I seem to have regained mine too, but there is clicking and popping, snapping, and all sorts of weirdness doing some movements.

When I got out of the MRI machine the MRI tech asked me if I had been doing physical therapy. My reply was ā€˜nothing professional, and certainly not enough, why?, what did you see?…’

but she couldn’t comment.

It seems she was amazed that 15 months post dislocation, that my muscles had not atrophied, considering how tore up my shoulder is.

I figure this is not because I have been doing the exercises, I had been doing some, some of which were completely wrong considering I have a medially dislocated upper biceps tendon that is fraying, but Because I rebuilt my esk8 about 2 months after the dislocation, and started Towing Fiona in her chariot with that shoulder, for my/our mental health.

When towing the chariot, I basically have to clench the shoulder to centrate the humeral head within the glenoid socket, since I have no Supraspinitus and only a third of the subscalpularis left. Thankfully my labrum is still intact.

I basically thought that towing the chariot was likely doing further damage, but it seems to be the only reason my muscles are still healthy enough, without fatty infiltration, that sutures can go grab the retracted tendons and reattach them with a decent chance they will not just cheesewire through and have the surgery fail.

I do not trust the ortho outfit I saw, and know which ortho I do want, but I am not sure whether he takes my insurance, and whether I can afford it even if they do.

Also, Fiona is somehow still kicking despite mammary cancer, and her rolling in the chariot at my side, as we bark up miles of neighborhoods, is my only joy, So I would put off surgery until after she is gone anyway.

I had gone to a PT more recently but quit when I realized some of their exercises were putting my medially dislocated upper biceps tendon in danger of fraying further and snapping. They had the copy of my MRI report and should have been avoiding some of the exercises they had me doing, and while some muscles felt good after a session, my biceps was feeling like it was on fire.

So I recommend getting a copy of your MRI report ASAP and doing your own research, and have a list of pointed questions ready for the ortho you see for the MRI followup.

I am considering everything I do now as ā€˜Prehab’ assuming I can get the surgery in the future, and doing minimal further damage. from what I read the pain after rotator cuff surgery is considerable and the elbow basically needs to be locked at your side in a sling for 4-6 weeks, and 4-6 months of PT before one can even consider doing what they did pre injury.

I kind of got a Neanderthal build, and the underside of my acromion sticks down deeper than most people, which led to impingement when surfing ( the return stroke when paddling, and surfing is 95% paddling) and fraying of the SupraSpinitus. My fall hardly seemed to be violent enough to dislocate my shoulder but it was enough to just snap my frayed supraspinitus and then allowed the dislocation of my right shoulder.

Traditionally my left shoulder had significantly worse impingement issues, so I got to keep in mind that tendon is likely even more frayed.

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As i get older my opinion of doctors has changed a lot. They hem and the people associated with medical care in general. They are significantly more human and fallible than i used to think.

Care and recovery absolutely needs to be self advocated - the experts are focused on one aspect but not above being biased towards their own specialties as well as not having perfect knowledge of my particular situation - even if it’s in my chart. That runs into a major bottleneck which is me. If I can’t keep all the things i need and communicate with the dr or specialist or therapist effectively what my needs are because i haven’t gotten a good grasp of the actual diagnosis then my care will fall short of best.

Being able to articulate my issues in the language of doctors is a serious challenge. Finding doctors/nurses that aren’t overwhelmed is another

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Looking great, man — but really sorry to hear about the accident! D:

That’s gotta be tough, especially for someone who’s always out there building and riding such cool stuff

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What are your thoughts on 210mm duality hangers? I’m currently on 240mm and considering 210 for my Zeus conversion. More nimble? Recommend?

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I have the 240’s on my Liquid Sword build and swapped to 210’s temporarily.

They honestly felt more stable than nimble… I liked the 240’s better, personally. I would be curious to hear feedback from @Pecos too…

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I feel like i need to go down a duro vs the 300mm ones. Got some wfb bushings to swap out once my shoulder stabilizes a little better. Definitely the change in lever length can be felt between the two but I don’t think it’s a bad feeling - just seems like i need to tune the bushing setup a bit more.

I think hanger length is mostly preference. Unless you need longer ones for clearances. One thing I think is longer hanger ride smoother than shorter hanger cause longer ones don’t move as much compares to a shorter over the same bump.

It could be argued that the same bump would affect a longer hanger more as the leverage is increased… same force, same bump, more leverage, slower reaction time…

I’d take the narrower hanger every single time, and take measures to improve clearance however necessary.

narrower hangers can definitely feel more ā€˜twitchy’, but this can certainly be accommodated for with bushings

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This I definitely noticed going from 300mm to 240mm. Honestly I think my favorite setup so far is longer hanger pairs with softer bushings. Currently running harder bushings on 240mm compares to my previous 300mm.

I like narrow hangers if i can get away with it, i feel like i can get more of my weight to push on the wheels on heel side turns without shifting so much on my rear foot. The transition from heel to toe sweet spot is smaller but more powerful if that makes any sense

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I definitely find that

Contributes to it becoming easier to break into a slide during hard cornering and i’m all for it :zany_face:

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All great info.

This is what I’m aiming for with the board they’re going on. I’ll give the 210’s a shot

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LeftBracket.step (47.2 KB)
TANGENT ENC GASKET CUT.step (362.2 KB)
FrontHookWithXT60.step (433.2 KB)
CF10mmOffset.step (327.9 KB)
RearFootWedgWithButton.step (264.0 KB)
MOLD V13 BASE BASE.step (58.2 KB)
MOLD V13 BASE E.step (112.4 KB)
MOLD V13 BASE N.step (38.6 KB)
MOLD V13 BASE S.step (38.7 KB)
MOLD V13 BASE W.step (231.0 KB)
MOLD V13 PISTON V1.step (248.8 KB)
XT60F Panel Mount Dust Cover.stl (1.8 MB)

file dump @Tyy @sad_juice

have at it. the left bracket is the original steel version that i designed but couldn’t get made in the correct dimensions so was too weak, if you can fab something up that is the correct thickness of material it should hold up better than the banana that i made from jumping off curbs of mine. i included the current experimental carbon fiber version and the mold i used to make it. if you orient the layer lines so that they are along the release path it should come out ok but print fine layers, like .16 or less layers and lots of mold release… like lots and lots. post up your efforts, i think the tangent deck is slept on - its a nice little sweet spot.

caveat - all these are still beta so not perfectly refined obv. im still working on the tantrum so its ridable but still kinda a work in progress.

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This is an awesome drop, really appreciate you sharing all the files and notes.

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