They dropped the p60b name and decided to call it the P60C instead.
But who knows when the p60C will be available.
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Any idea when the M65A drops?
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Many including myself also watching and waiting. If it has decent 20a performance it will quickly get on my list of cells to use 
Looks like tabless is old news, solid state when?
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True solid-state large pouch and prismatic EV cells in pilot production by 2027 at mind-boggingly high prices. Most companies in full production of the large EV cells by 2030. Maybe samples of smaller cells by then.
Round cells? Maybe never but thereās a chance that polymer-based solid-electrolyte (true solid-state) round cells could rolled up and eventually be around in a few yearsā¦at crazy high prices.
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Thnx for the answer Battery Mooch! Even the semi solid state batteries are very impressive, canāt wait for the real thing! Do you know if the donut lab battery is true solid state? It is the talk of the town and they have some wild claims like 100000 cycle life?
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Damn two of these and you have a solid top box pack for a mtnb
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It is indeed true solid stateā¦but itās not a battery, itās a capacitor. 
Okay, yea, the popular usage of ābatteryā for anything that can store energy means it is considered by many to be a battery. But itās a cap. And what better way for Donut Lab to hide what those packs actually are? 
I had two more detailed posts about this for my Patreon supporters but check out Zirothās video on YouTubeā¦I agree with his analysis that itās a cap made via Nordic Nanoās (their partner) solid-state printing process.
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LOLā¦just check my email and DMāsā¦getting swamped with questions about this thing. Iāve made those two Patreon posts public. Hereās the one with my thoughts about what it really is with some links: https://www.patreon.com/posts/it-might-not-be-147688450
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From the press, they say āis made entirely from abundant, affordable, and geopolitically safe materialsā
If my understanding of battery chemistry basics is to be trusted, this basically confirms it? Canāt have a decent battery without rare earths/alkaline metals
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Wow this is Amazing!
So who will be first with a solid state battery esk8
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LFP and Na-Ion cells donāt have the peskier ingredients though and are a great fit for lower cost EVās and BESSā. Not what weāre looking for but those are markets 10,000 times larger.
The cycle life claim is what screamed cap to me. It would have been corporate suicide to make that spec up so I figured cap. I had no idea though that someone had gone far enough to make solid-state caps with that energy density at a high enough yield to be profitable.
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Thatās what Iām thinking, if itās got sufficient capacity then whether itās a battery or a cap is a distinction without a difference?
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I think capās discharge voltage being a constant line going down doesnāt work well with a vehicle
Maybe theyāve advanced a lot but their energy density wasnāt close either
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Battery stores energy in chemical reactions
Capacitor stores energy with electric charge.
Also notable is capacitors have a linear voltage discharge curve. They dont output a (roughly) consistent voltage like batteries do
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Other things can come into play thoughā¦
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Can they be discharged to zero volts so HazMat shipping isnāt required?
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What domestic and international regulations need to be considered?
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What are the assembly line cost differences? What does it take to dive into that business versus making li-ion cells?
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Temperature tolerance (for performance) seems to be much better than li-ion cells?
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What are the degradation mechanisms for solid-state caps?
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Is disposal as easy as discharging a Donut Lab pack to zero volts and just recycling as normal waste? Or will it be HazMat?
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What has to be done differently by first responders when a Donut Lab vehicle has crashed?
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Ok, but if Iām really getting 400Wh/kg who cares?
Donāt all batteries that donāt have lithium have a linear discharge curve? Iām thinking Alkalines, Lead Acid, NiMH, etc. Thatās just a slightly different energy management algorithm. Plus if they really are caps then you canāt over discharge them so all that BMS noise goes away.
So far as I understand the only thing between supercaps and world domination is capacity?
Great points! Am I remembering correctly that some voltage-regulating electronics were mentioned in the Donut Lab video? Even if not, youāre right, theyāll probably be needed.