Stupid broke kid builds something : KILLSHOT : JET Killshot, Madwheelz 125s, Dumbo X6PM, BN M1 Helical Street drivetrain, Haggy 6374, 12s4p, Unity (Soon to be Stormcore)

Finally I’ve decided to do it, making my first build post. For some background info, this is my 3rd build and the most polished one at that. I’ve been building since mid 2018 at the age of 14, (admittedly very janky) and its been a really long journey, learning and improving with a (very) limited budget. I met @Linny sometime in 2019 he taught me the esk8 ways. Anyway, I’m really quite proud of this build.

The general idea for this board was to make the best handling, most powerful board within my means. (All my money is gone)

Its going to be a bit long dont mind me (because im documenting the mistakes too) :slight_smile:

Specs

  • Jet Killshot deck donated by @BillGordon
  • Killshot enclosure by @BigBen
  • My own 12s4p P42A battery build
  • Madwheelz 125s
  • BN M1 helical street dual drive 220 Hanger w adjustable baseplate
  • Haggy 6374 190Kv
  • FOCBOX Unity (Stormcore 60d upgrade on the way)
  • Dumbo RC X6PM transmitter with P6F receiver (will go into this)

Battery Build
12S4P P42A
Anyway so here are the cells bonded (neutral cure sealant) and wrapped in fish paper, and ready for spot welding.

Used some braided wire for series connections and a smart BMS for balance, just very basic stuff.


Ok so finished product minus heatshrink and (fuse which i forgot and put in later)( I have no pics)

Drivetrain
BN M1 Helical Street + Madwheelz 125s
Nothing much to say other than @Linny gave me a set of old Haggy 6374s foc which saved me some money thankfully (They also have a really cool sounding resonance at high rpms). I used retaining compound for spur gear, and red tacky grease as lubricant.

The most annoying part was that when i ordered the drivetrain back in 2022, i opted for the Abec pulley, which was a STUPID idea and when i finally realised it, BN stopped making the kegel version.

At the time i was intending to use the abec 107s but when i heard the madwheels 125s were coming out i felt this build deserved better.

So i spent MONTHS looking for someone who was willing to sell me pair, after panicking that the build wouldn’t meet my expectations.

The 125s feel almost like pneumatics, but it has that predictability that urethane offers. I absolutely love them. They grip in corners like nothing I’ve experienced before with urethane, and, they absorb bumps like its nothing. I no longer fear the occasional rock or weird fruit/ nut that’s on the pavement.

Remote
Dumbo RC X6PM

Now this is my favourite part just because Im so satisfied with the results.

I had been using a mini remote for my other board since mid 2019. However in recent years, in Singapore where im based, ive noticed i get cut-outs of varying degrees of severity near traffic lights or in the vicinity of underground electricity lines.

I then decided to find a alternative to the mini remote, but the Zmote is too expensive for me, the GT2B has similar outdated tech as the mini remote and (I assume) will likely have the same issues. To my knowledge that’s about all the trigger remote options there are. But as it so happens that i also mess with RC stuff.

I actually own a larger version of the X6pm called the X-4E which has less channels but is essentially the same pcb.

I decided to just give it a go on my board, and it was absolutely phenomenal. It has really good trigger response and practically NO latency. In comparison to the mini remote, its just in a another league. Most importantly it has FHSS Modulation, which completely eliminated cut outs.

The form factor is really not that large in comparison to other controllers of its class, and it feels really good in the hand. (Also it costs less than 20usd) What more can I ask for? :grin:

There is quite a lot of dead space in the remote itself, so Im working with a friend of mine who is a fusion360 god (I’m just stupid and cant CAD), to make a 3d printable case to house the electronics.

ESC

This is where I fucked up real bad

Ok so Im using a flipsky advanced anti spark, which has an auto turn off after (i think) 10mins.

Yea I bricked it. I was updating my firmware and just as it reached 100% the anti spark said facku and turned off, corrupting my esc. For reference this focbox was a loaner till i got a stormcore and belongs to Linny. (I cannot afford to pay his ass back.) So i panic asked the forum and some really amazing guys came to help.

This was completely new territory for me and Linny so we would have been at a loss without the help. I flashed over the firmware using a workinf focbox single via the SWD port and it works fine now yay!?

Deck + Enclosure

I got the Killshot deck from @BillGordon through Linny and coated the top of the deck and the enclosure with bedliner. I think it looks pretty cool, but alas, the grip is quite bad, so i intend on placing a few strips of griptape on the edges of the deck.

Unfortunately, i don’t have any pics of the deck before i assembled it, so that pretty much concludes this build for now.

Now for the pics finished product that drained my bank account!!

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Nice clean build!!

I’ve always thirsted for a killshot build, the deck looks so damn nice.

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Thanks man! I just got lucky with finding this pretty deck, when i was planning this build a few years ago, @Linny just sent me a pic and asked me “u want dis” and i said ok without really knowing anything :joy:

Couldnt ask for a better option

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I have waited 3 years for this build thread.

There is also the shortboard build thread i am expecting ty

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Nice build but before you buy a Stormcore to upgrade please just go with a maker x dv4s or dv6s​:joy:much smaller and reliable and powerful escs I must add!:grin: but also when did you get that enclosure or where I have a killshot deck and no enclosure for it :smiling_face_with_tear:

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Awesome looking build! Don’t sell yourself short, you’re young enough to start learning. As for being poor and broke, most of us were when we were your age. Some still are because of our passion for this hobby.

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I already have a stormcore on the way unfortunately. As for the enclosure it was from @BigBen . Got it about 3 years ago though.

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Ahh got it yea been looking for a killshot enclosure forever it’s so hard to source these days

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Update!

Got my stormcore in the mail. Everything was working well, brought it out for a ride and the power is just fantastic.

Monsoon season is rolling in where Im located so i haven’t brought it out in awhile. So i was home just cleaning my board up and decided to rev it just a little, and Thank God for that because I noticed some crazy shit.

My motors shat themselves. Seems like the CAN magnet retaining ring came loose and has been moving outward toward the stator. Not sure how or why this happened, but it caused one of my motors to scrape the edge of the stator side. As i was revving it, this happened:


I guess it caused some weird freak out fault, but it went FULL brake on both sides at about what looks like 60-70 percent speed. I was able to recreate the issue hence this video exists.

Just to make sure it wasnt the esc side’s fault, i checked for faults (none) and actually used a small pry tool to push the ring back in. I ran detection again and the issue stopped.

Ive already had an issue with this same motor a few months back where one phase wire had snapped. I soldered it back, but Ive had the intention of replacing them eventually. Didn’t think id have to do it so soon.



Absolutely terrifying shit. I was so lucky that I had happened to be fucking with it prior to riding. I got these motors for free, but my life aint worth a pair of OEM motors man damn. If snapping a phase wire for no apparent reason ( no wire snagging, as well as generous wire length) wasn’t enough to obliterate my trust in it, this does. I’m assuming this particular motor has some quality issues, so no more chances!

Well, into the trash they go. I’m gonna got with a pair of Reacher 6384s 205Kvs. But, i cant afford it at the moment so, no riding for me for awhile. ( I really need to put my shortboard back together)

Thats all for now :frowning:

Singaporean problems :joy:

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Bloody @BillGordon always nutting on the pavement

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UPDATE!! + HELP PLS

Got some delicious 6385 Reachers for this build!

Also was hoping for some help (at the bottom)


Ok so, here is the problem, my vesc settings on my 60d+ are:

150a Motor Max
60a Battery Max
Absolute max current 200a (default cant be changed)

Pos ramp 0.2
Neg ramp 0.1

Essentially my issue is how close i am to constantly throwing an ABS overcurrent fault. It has already happened once, and i cant seem to raise my absolute current past its default of 200a.

I tried to make my board as punchy as i possibly could, previously i was running the same settings on my Unity, of which it had a default of 400a (for some reason) with no issues besides heat.

If the stormcore is supposedly more powerful, why would its default be lower than that of the focbox.

I understand that the motor max might be too high, and the ramp time definitely wont help my case when it comes to throwing an overcurrent fault. But, i was hoping for some answers and suggestions to help me maintain this level of punchiness without this over current issue trying to kill me.


Above is the telemetry for todays ride. I pushed the board quite hard for context. Not sure if that last reading of “I Max 223.0 A” is my highest draw of the ride, if it is, its definitely on the verge of throwing a fault.

Pls help me im cry

Could the slow abs current option in the vesc setting be useful for you? It’s supposed to make the vesc less likely to throw an overcurrent fault to a short spike I think.

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You are double the stormcores motor max amps… but in any event you might be able to get punch with throttle curve

Or change kv lower amps

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I was thinking about doing this. Has it been reliable for you? Like is it safe (as safe as delaying a fault can be)

Also, does anyone have an explanation for why the unity would have a higher default max amp as opposed to the stormcore? And if theres a way to increase it because it currently doesnt let me go past that 200a limit

While im at it I want yalls opinion on the stormcore 60d+. Did i waste money by buying it instead of going for the DV6s? Cant seem to get a definitive answer on which is better.

When it comes to power, reliability etc that is

Good point about the OP going way over Stormcore’s manufacturer’s recommended current rating. MakerX DV6s has higher manufacturer’s rating FWIW, but I do not know the “actual” hardware headroom/safety margin of each. Re: is Stormcore a worse product? In some ways, it is more mature (USB C, better power button and better CAN bus implementation) than MakerX. But in terms of current rating, yeah you would be better off with some other offerings.

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My stormcore 60d+ would throttle down due to overheating in identical situations where my DV6 Pro does not. Same settings, same board, same outside temp and same ride. I wish that wasn’t the case because the Stormcore has some cool features but it’s probably going to sit in my garage for the foreseeable future.

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Stormcore is very nice :robot: :zap:
Your 223A max i think it is from two motors, like 110A per motor
If you want higher abs max, go to vesc tool, firmware, tick the show non default firmwares, select the no_hw_limits.bin and update

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