Sorry you had a bad set up Ryan😢. What was it?
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I love you and your YouTube channel, but you might want to rethink that statement.
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I’ve never had a belt drive board with a skipping problem, and I’ve never used idlers. Even my single motor shitter never had a skipping problem. And no my belts weren’t too tight.
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Thanks lmao
Lol well that has been my experience, every time I’ve ridden single belt, braking skips the belt
Even on 15mm. Maybe motor mount flex, maybe something else but that’s how it has been
On my dual belt 12mm with 14t to 36, I was even able to get it to skip on acceleration
Either way, torque steer is enough for me to not want to ride single belt 
Torqueboards lol F in chat
All the builds I’ve made for people since then have been BN idler drives and never skip belts
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Ok Phil! Take my money! Me want!
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I love that whole build, the new bracket really sets it off. Great job as always!
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Here’s the first entry to my test log. This is mainly to:
- Make you guys jealous.
- Show to Phil that I’m not sitting idle.
Here’s what arrived last Friday:
These trucks look soooo good! 
Installing them on your board gives you instant +30 points bonus to sexiness. They pretty much warrant BOTY 2022, even if you put them on an old dirty boosted board.
The trucks are apparently overbuilt in every way. You can safely carry an elephant or two without worrying that anything on the truck will bend.
The truck is heavier than my old SR TKP 177mm but it’s not by much:
Impatient as I am, I just put the front truck on and went for a ride:
I also did a bit of T-racing on the weekend.
This week I went ahead with the rear truck. I quickly realized I won’t be able to use the Stooge wheels easily since:
- They require very long axles.
- The threaded holes on the Stooge wheel cores are too close to the center, which makes it impossible to design a pulley that would revolve around the motor mount clamp.
Not blaming Phil’s trucks for this. Most other trucks would have the same problem. Not blaming the wheels either. They are designed for the NKP trucks and the Stooge open gear drive. Just stating the facts.
So no Stooge wheels… for now… I have a little something in the making but let me not get ahead of myself.
Instead, I decided to put my good old Trampa wheels in the rear. The assembly went smoothly. Everything is very well made. All parts fit together nicely.
The motor mounts and the clamps both have 19 holes so it would seem that you can only adjust the mount angle in 360 / 19 = 18.95 degree steps. However, in addition to that, you can also rotate the clamp with respect to the hanger. The mating pattern is an octagon so there are 8 different ways to put the clamp on and each rotates the holes slightly. This subdivides the 18.95 degree step into 8 smaller 2.37 degree steps. So you can really get the mount angle finetuned very nicely.
This is especially important for forward mounting where you want to be just low enough to avoid the mount/motor collision with the deck while turning, but no lower. You want maximal clearance under the mount.
This is the angle I ended up with:
No mount bite:
The hanger is wide enough to easily accommodate dual 6384 Reachertech motors (including spacers for the stupid protruded bearings). This is a huge improvement over my SR TKP:
Ready to ride:
Well, kind of. The mounts are the perfect length for forward mounting. I believe they are the same length as my old mounts, which worked great for me.
The problem is that my old mounts have idlers and these don’t. Plus, I didn’t have any shorter belts to compensate for the missing idler.
So I ended up using a bigger motor pulley. I had to go from 13T all the way up to 18T, effectively changing the gear ratio from 3.38 to 2.44.
Good enough for a test ride as well as for reaching the mach1 speed but the acceleration wasn’t great.
While I could have just ordered shorter belts, I really wanted the idlers anyway so I did something horrible. 
I took those beautiful, precisely machined, well polished aluminum motor mounts… and I drilled bloody holes into them. And I didn’t even use a drill press cause I don’t have one.
Nevertheless, it actually worked out pretty well. The idler is a little bit in the way of one of the slots for attaching the motor so I lost some flexibility in belt tension adjustment but there’s still enough travel available so it’s not a problem.
So I’m back to a normal gear ratio now and ready to do some riding.
I’ve actually already done a little bit today but I don’t want to give out anything about the truck performance yet. The thing is that I’ve only been riding weirdo setups so far. First, I had mixed trucks – Phil trucks in the front and SR TKP rear. Now I have mixed wheels – Stooge in the front and Trampa in the rear.
I should ride some normal setups before making a judgement. I plan to test ride with both pneumatics only and Stooge wheels only (if I manage to get them installed in the rear). Then I’ll make a review. Stay tuned.
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Great write up thus far! Thanks @janpom! Looking forward to hearing more!
This is a process, and I am looking forward to all input. I want everything to be out in the open so this can be a good option for esk8. I feel this helps us all to get good products going forward for this awesome sport!
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i would have done the same thing!
Great write up so far!
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I would call this a resounding success.
This one not so much 
wordplay is fun
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Jan know what he’s doing
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An optional idler is a nice touch
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Jealous indeed
That is sooooo beautifull
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Second test log. After quite a bit of struggle I finally managed to print what seems to be functional custom cores for Moe Stooge wheels that allow me to get the wheels installed on the rear truck. Pictures below. Since the wheels are very wide and we also need room for the pulley, I had to bury the outside bearing pretty deep into the core. Hopefully it will still hold up. If I could have some extra 12mm of axle length that would be very beneficial in this case.
I have done quite a bit of riding in the last three days with various setups:
- Stooge front, Trampa rear
- all Trampa
- all Stooge
As it turned out the wheels don’t affect the truck behavior a lot. The ride feels a little more stable on the Stooge wheels. I guess that’s thanks to their wide profile. It’s not by a lot though and I may just as well be dreaming it.
I went through some back and forth with bushing adjustment. I believe the bushings are Riptide .6" Krank Barrels, 93a and 90a. I weight about 80 kg. I ended up getting them semi-tight in the front and tight in the rear.
My board is perfect now. Very agile. I can maneuver through all the tricky spots on my commute easily. The truck response is predictable and a lot of fun. Yet they are super stable at speed. I didn’t want to go crazy having the board in an experimental setup but I did have it slightly above 50 km/h, which was no problem whatsoever. No slightest signs of wobble tendency. All felt very stable and under control.
I’m looking forward to testing the new setup on T-race. Last time, having the SR TKP in the rear and Savage1 TKP in the front, the turn radius was a bit lacking. That’s now greatly improved.
To conclude. These trucks:
- look great
- ride great
- take big motors
- are super robust
- come with forward-mountable motor mounts
So overall, these are the best trucks. You may not agree with it; you may even challenge it; but that’s about all you can do about it.
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So glad to hear nothing but positive things about these trucks! And you tried them with equal angles front and back as well, right? Would be interesting to see how fast you can go before wobbles kick in with the rear dewedged 
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Yes, equal angles front and rear. The rear more tight than front.
I think slightly harder bushings for the rear might be better but not critical for me.
I’m afraid I’ll leave that research with someone else.
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so any idea when these trucks will be available and via which way to get them?
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follow this thread closely, @Savage1 will announce it when he is ready
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Thanks for the detailed review @janpom 
I hope them wheel cores hold up for you. You always seem to work your way around things! @rusins, I do have some bases half way done to play with different angles if need be. @quest32, I have 20 sets completed, and out for anodizing (black, blue and maybe red), so they should be ready in about 1-2 weeks. I do have more testers, but they are waiting on the anodized ones.
(Jan is amazing to work with by the way!)
(Also, so is Brad @RipTideSports, what an asset to the boarding community)
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