Noiseless drive : gauging interest

Sorry if I sound negative, but I’ve never seen magnetic drives/gearboxes on any real world vehicle application. Is there a reason for that?

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No worries, every input helps toward the goal man :wink:

Good question, I believe for example chain / gear / belt or direct axle are already an effective way of transmitting power reliably, and on bigger vehicles you can also kill noise with extra casing and sound deadening.

So on a quick wit I’d say : why would any company risk making a transmission with more spare parts to outsource when a vehicle is already a lot of parts & when a solution proven for decades exists ?

And of course I suppose the more weight you carry, the more torque you need and bigger magnets start getting expensive.

Or maybe test results will simply be underwhelming despite promising numbers too, which I hope not :laughing:

On a side note, the principle is very close to an electric motor principle too, so maybe instead of making gearboxes companies focus on optimiszing the motors efficiency too ?

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Pardon the hazardous videos and check their content to see the principle of the magnetic drive :beer:

Of course it’s a no load test but I wanted to confirm wether the spinning movement itself was really possible. Next will be to determine at load the requirements in order to have zero slippage.

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Here is some inspiration:

Good luck,
Dani

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Nice, now do the same with two bearings close together so you can fell how much drag there is

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So I did this silly thing and cut some retainer rings… But I’m short of rings cause I made them too thin to keep wild magnets from flying all over the place so will buff up the retainers tomorrow.

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Update of the day…

I’ll make a beefed up test rig tomorrow :exploding_head:

I got a feel on what I was expecting tho. Magnets tore the rings while I was playing with a pain in the ass side polarity layout. A freakin 5x5 tiny cube worth 1kg strength vs slim plexiglass and pvc, the cube won.

Tested only 2 pole layouts so far, and it’s just beginning.

So back to starting line!

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If I remember correctly, problem was that you cant really separate the magnetic fields.
In the end you get a induction heater/ eddy current brake.

There are ways, you can orientate and even concentrate magnetic field depending on how you orientate the magnets.

If I can’t use a simple directional layout I’ll start trying beams but it adds bulks.

I don’t think I’ll have any proper eddy current without any conducting matter like copper too so heat should not be an issue? Experiment will tell!

Edit : Actually I’ll also try axial & compare to radial vertical + radial horizontal. Or maybe do both at the same time cause science.

End game is : killing drag down and having a steady torque link.

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Small update of the day, felt creative before going to bed :bed:

I have few designs I’d like to try & I have a lot of expectations for this one. Will print later a version !

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I still have no idea how this noiseless drive works. Looks like you are using magnets as gears, not sketchy at all

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It’s hardly new tech. He’s applying it to esk8

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Is there something that I can Google to learn more about this.

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Permanent Magnet Motor

Frictionless magnetic drive

http://www.magnomatics.com/pages/technology/low-ratio-magnetic-gears.htm

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:grinning:

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How have I lived for 33 years and no one has ever given me that book. Time to step up my game they must not think I’m dickish enough

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that looks hot!!!

shoot it :smiley:

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There is some good information i found here :

here :

and here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275580214_Magnetic_gear_technologies_A_review

IMO magnetic gear drive will not be capable of the required torque unless you are using a harmonic / strain wave configuration.

I also think that designing such a gearbox is not an easy task without sufficient knowledge about magnets and motor design.

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wow that video you found @ducktaperules
very good.
Not sure if what is shown is exactly what is being gone for here, totally gave me a grip though
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@Vanarian I see you started this quest with freewheel bearings in mind, I have been thinking about a drivetrain with freewheeling capabilities.
Using either a one way bearing and a disk brake, or a clutch that would disconnect the pulleys from the wheels re engaging for regen braking.
I have a old MBS board with what you could technically call brakes, that I could test both of these ideas on with 3d printed parts.

I would hope this would possibly give greater range on a proper longboard, not that I would be able to test that on the MBS board due to bad bearings and pneumatic wheels

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