Meepo v5 build/upgrades

Hey guys, I’m upgrading my meepo v5 and looking for any insight/advice you may have. In the future I plan to get an AT board for longer comfy riding and won’t need it to be portable/easy to carry..so I want to keep this board more portable, easy to take places, carry, strap to a backpack etc.

Current range is good enough for my normal rides if I ride conservatively (uses about half battery), but cutting it very close if I ride freely without thinking about conserving battery (haven’t run out yet but consistently feel like I’m very close). Road vibrations are a bit of a problem, and while I can handle most cracks, potholes, and random lips I encounter, I’d prefer the ride be more comfortable and less worrisome.

Ive got some meepo donut 105’s on the way which im thinking will make the ride more comfortable and larger cracks/crappy roads less worrisome. And I have an extended range battery on the way which I’m hoping will offset the range loss of the 105’s while also allowing me to ride my current routes freely without cutting it so close/ having to worry about running out. I’ve also got lights for dusk riding, better bushings, and extended hardware incase I decide to add a free ride binding/toe hook to the front for even more help handling road cracks/lips in the pavement/sidewalks if needed.

I can’t think of much else to do to it beyond that, but do you think I’m missing anything obvious that would make a meaningful improvement?

Once the wheels and battery are in I’ll need to adjust the wheel size in the remote, and probably mess with the speed settings/level thresholds, but I think that’s about it.

The 105mm donut wheels and hub motor sleeves are definitely more comfortable than the 90MM wheels.

I have bought the Puaida donut hub motor Sleeves, and much prefer their more rounded profile when new. They are a bit softer and more comfortable than the meepo 105 sleeves too.

Quieter too, at least until both lose their ‘tread’

The Meepo 105mm sleeves were kind of noisy the first few miles and took a while before the tread was gone and the near silence returned.

My Meepo 105mm sleeves came on the 540watt hub motor hanger kit, and they had the urethane cast onto plastic, which is not nearly as good at sucking heat out of the magnets as aluminum, but meepo said they no longer have their urethane cast onto plastic, and any wheels that are, are old stock.

My hub motors are slightly different design than those on a new V5, but they accept the same sleeves.

The Puaida motor sleeves are cast onto aluminum, and sit a little bit wider on my motors for a bit more track width, and they were significantly cheaper when I purchased them( 3 sets now) but have not compared prices recently.

The loss of range switching to 105s from 90’s was not nearly as much as I expected, and not really significant, but there are basically no hills in my area. I also expected there to be more torque loss than there was, so that was a pleasant surprise.

Be careful to fully seat the allen wrench when removing the Allen key sleeve bolts, and it is probably wise to do it with the motors warm to hot from a recent ride. Start the new bolts with your fingers, not any screw gun, to prevent cross threading, and when you retighten the new bolts, Do so slowly in the star pattern in stages, and do it again once the sleeves are hot from a ride.

Bring the allen key on your first ride after replacement, and if you hear a rattle or any new noise, stop somewhere safe, and give them a once over.

I have rarely found that any more regular tightening is needed after that second hot retorque.

You will likely need to add baseplate spacers and longer hardware to keep the wheels from biting the deck at full lean, and adding a wedged riser to the front baseplate to give it more steer and less wedge to the rear can increase higher speed stability, but tese modifications are personal preference, and requires experimentation, and can muddy the waters if changing too many things at once.

When you use new bushings the board side bushing should be the same height as the one you remove. shorter or taller will screw with teh geometry and put more pressure on the edge of the Pivot cup bushing and make it feel odd, and wear far quicker than it otherwise would.

Upgrading to a extended range battery is a viable strategy. Does it fit inside the original battery enclosure or do they ship it with a new larger enclosure? Looks like it is a 10s2p using 20 Samsung 40T 21700 cells, in the photos. For 288Wh total

https://www.18650batterystore.com/products/samsung-40t

Looks like the original battery is a 10s2p 188 watt hour battery made with 20 Samsung 20R cells(18650)

I have a few different range extension methods, and have built a 360 watt hour 10.0AH 10s2p made with Tenpower 50Xg cells and 0.2mm copper busbars, for minimal voltage sag.

More recently I got the Meepo Cyclone 107 airless rubber wheels, and if the 105mm donuts are a solid 35% more comfortable than 90mm urethane, the 107mm airless rubber is another 35% more comfortable on top of that.

I can get 12 miles of range pretty easily with the airless rubber 107s and a 360 watt hour battery riding agressively at close to 200Lbs weight.

The Cyclone 107mm airless rubber wheels and sleeves are closer to 108mm when new, and the torque loss is more noticeable, as is the loss of range and the free roll.

Traction on wet surfaces and over sandy / loose rocky sections in intersections is Much better than urethane, and transiting rough surfaces / sidewalk cracks, and light offroading is also much improved over urethane.

But smooth surface mindless carving, I still prefer the feel silence and free roll of urethane.

Exploring new areas, the airless rubber is much more confidence inspiring, but expect a 20% range cut. Exact % much is dependent on your weight, and the road surface temperature, with hot roads and hot motors making them far softer.

Dialing in a more precise carvy feel with Riptide bushings and pivot cups is a usual recommendation for prebuilt boards.

When you get the extended range battery, keep your original battery at about 36 volts for storage.

If you have some DIY skills or are willing to learn how to solder, it is possible to use that original battery as a range extender battery, BUt both batteries must be within 0.1 volts of each other and preferably less than 0.05v when you parallel the batteries.

You can’t just run one battery down and then plug in the second.

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Thanks for all the info, it’s really helpful and definitely will be of use as I keep going.

really interested in trying those puaida sleeves you mentioned so will keep them in mind for next time, and had considered the cyclones as well but wanted to see the real world range loss of the 105’s before going even bigger and softer. The bushings riptides cs recommended for me with the shredder trucks were 93a .65 barrels for front and back, with small flat washers for the front, large cup washers for the back, and a set of Kodiak pivot cups.

The battery I ordered is a puaida 8000mah made from Samsung 40T’s. from what I’ve gathered the stock enclosure has some excess foam that keeps the stock battery secure, and when removed will handle the ER battery configured that way securely without additional mods.

I have looked a little into multi battery setups (it was the first thing I did when I realized I’d have two compatible batteries lol), but haven’t gone full research mode. I know parallel setups have their own rules, and wanting to keep this fairly simple I didn’t go too much deeper, at least in regards to parallel setups. But..

You mentioned you can’t just run one down and then plug in the second.. in a Y adapter setup where they’d be in parallel I know that’s definitely true. however.. I’m curious, could you in theory put a more accessible case on top of the board (say one that has a clamp lid rather than screws), run jumpers or solder extended wires from the battery in the stock enclosure, esc, and charger connection to that new case and connect them up there (exactly the same as how they would be in the battery case, but just in this new more accessible box) then run it down, open it up, fully disconnect one battery completely, and plug in a new battery since the 2 would never be connected simultaneously? I’m not planning to do that on this board as it’d add too much bulk, but I’m just curious if it’d work. I’d think that would allow you to use a second battery as a range extender (so long as it’s safe for the board) without any voltage matching or age concerns since only one would ever be connected at a time. I’d think that method shouldn’t be any different than swapping batteries on a power tool (again because it’s one at a time with a full disconnect/reconnect rather than in parallel) and still allow you to charge both from the boards charge port (again, one at a time). Again not planning to do it necessarily, more just a thought experiment. While it sounds reasonable in my head, it may not be in real life.

There are a few ways to employ a second battery for range extension.

I use a ‘Loopkey’ which is a hard disconnect from my enclosure mounted battery to my ESC.

I also have a second Panel mount XT90 that is connected directly to the ESC, and if the loopkey is installed, then this panel mount is showing battery voltage.

I can pull the loopkey, disconnecting the internal discharged battery from the ESC, and plug in a fully charged external battery that I velcro cinch strap to my deck between my feet.

Loopkeys are an XT90S connector, but only wired on the Positive, or the Negative. These are an Antispark connector with some green bits to indicate the resistor inside. The contacts on the back of the XT90 loopkey are bridged, So pulling the loopkey is a hard physical disconnect.

My 10S batteries have a XT90s output.

Basically one cannot hook up a fully charged battery in parallel with a depleted battery, The voltage difference will cause a huge amount of current to flow from charged battery to discharged battery. More current than the BMS can likely handle. Maybee more current that the busbars can safely handle.

One can only parallel batteries safely if they are really close in voltage, less than 0.1v difference and preferably less than half of that.

Your batteries have XT60 connectors.

These are not an Antispark connector.

If you disconnect the enclosure battery from ESC, and plug in your back up battery, there will likely be a huge POP and a spark as the capacitor in the ESC charge up. This Pop causes pitting on the contacts within the connector, and it can cumulatively damage the ESC, and maybe the BMS too.

Swapping from XT60 to XT90s is not difficult, if you know how to solder, and take precautions to not short out the live battery wires.

I do not know how Meepo wires up their charge ports. What wire gauge do they use? Do they use a fuse on this unknown gauge wiring? How much amperage is the BMS rated for when charging. is it a common ort BMS or a separate port?

I do not know if Meepo wires up a BMS for charging only, or uses a bigger BMS to handle both Charging and Discharging.

Parallelling equal voltage batteries Via the charge port is possible, but is very far from ideal.

I have blown my charge port fuse doing so, and on one separate port BMS, I lightly cooked a diode that was rated for 5 amps only.

It is likely your ESC is rated for 24 battery amps. Your charge port and its wiring, cannot support 24 amps. It likely can’t handle half of that, or even a third.

If I know that I am going to need more than the battery inside my enclosure, I will leave home with my second battery at 41.95v already strapped to the deck and parallelled with my enclosure battery which is also 41.95v. parallelled thoutgh my Parallel ESC xt90 port.

Then both batteries together power the ESC. This is not ideal as the batteries use different cells and are different ages so their resistance is not the same. When in parallel and under full load the lower resistance battery provides more than half the current, and then letting off the throttle there will be some current flow between the batteries until they are the same voltage again. This charging and discharging might age the battery faster, or perhaps to such a small degree as to not make a difference.

If I am not sure whether I will want to travel further than my enclosure battery can handle, but bring my second battery in my backpack, When the enclosured battery is depleted, I have to pull my loopkey, then plug in my backpack battery to the Parallel ESC port and velcro cinch strap it to my deck, sandwiched in some paddling, and then I can continue.

My first esk8s were cheap junk with 7S2p batteries. In one of the prebuilt enclosures, I replaced a 7s ESC with a CCCV booster set to 10S charge voltages, and can destination charge at 8 amps, or charge and ride at upto 8 amps. My charge port is fused for 10 amps and I use a separate port BMS capable of 20 amps.

I have also rolled with 10S batteries paralleled and the portable charger strapped atop the 10s battery and running at 6-8 amps output, at the same time.

I also skip the parallelled battery and just being the portable charger. It can deliver about 130 watt hours back into my 360 watt hour Tenpower50XG 10s2p. it is kind of neat as If I leave with it attached and powered up it is like an Antisag device for a few miles. I can tell the throttle is spicier.

I have 3 7s2p batteries, and the same rule applies. If I want to parallel them, I have to do so, though charge port, when they are all the same voltage., and then my Charge port wiring is rated for only 10 amps with a 10 amp fuse. The Booster inside portable charger is input limited to 15 amps. There is a chance the Fuse blows.

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I think I gotcha. I’m not planning to try it out, but was just curious because of my days “racing” rc cars where swapping batteries mid race or bash was never an issue to anyone. Obviously there’s a lot of differences between the two, but that’s just kinda the angle I was coming from conceptually.

On a side note, bushings and wheels came in. Still dialing in the bushings but so far so good, and the wheels.. damn. I haven’t given them the full concrete sidewalk with breaks every 4 feet treatment yet, but super comfy so far (just did a little half mile or so loop to tighten everything up). Did notice a slight drop in torque, but honestly it was a little jumpy on stock wheels and now it’s more smooth so I welcome it. Skipped the risers for now and while I don’t think I’ll really need them, I might toss the smaller ones on just incase. I’m swapping a light mount tomorrow or the next day anyway so will just do them all at once.

Self bump.. extended range battery came in today but I had just finished charging the stock one so decided to do a quick range test. Took a normal route I frequent and kept to speed level 2 (matches well with my wife’s scooter speed so a good benchmark as I use it frequently) for the entirety of it just like I did last time.

Slightly slower on some of the hills with the 105’s vs the 90’s, but range seemed more or less the same in the end. Finished with a pretty steady 2 battery bars cruising similar to last time, but may have started bouncing between 2 and 3 bars a little earlier on. Route is roughly 4ish miles round trip, cruising mostly at full throttle (again in speed setting 2) at around 10-13mph with hills dropping me down to around 7-9. I weigh about 190lb.

If anyone with a stock v5 is ever reading this wondering how impactful switching from the stock wheels to the 105’s would be on their range I’d put it like this.. if you can cruise around in the stock speed 2 setting and your area is flat enough that you can stay at like 9 or 10+mph, it’ll likely be pretty minimal if anything. If at full throttle the hills force you down to like 7-9mph, your range will take a hit but it shouldn’t be too bad. If at speed 2 and full throttle the hills are consistently forcing you down to 6-7mph or if you legit need to swap to speed 3 for hills to be manageable, then I think the loss will be pretty noticeable

Swapped the ER battery in once the board had some time to cool and charge to about 75%. Pretty simple, remove all the padding in the case except for the piece between the case and battery and one of the 2 pieces at the end by the xt60 and it fits nice and snug. Was going to remove the piece between the case itself and battery but it looked like it might be angular and rub so I left it in. Turns on, responds to controller, seems to be charging fine.

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2 rides so far on the ER battery. First ride was to and from the same location from the last tests, but on a slightly different route that’s roughly the same distance (4 miles) but allows for faster riding. Was in speed level 3 the whole time doing whatever I wanted and finished with 4 battery bars. Second ride was 2.5 miles, and while I dropped to 3 battery fairly early on I still finished with 3 battery (it did flash between 3 and 2 on hills towards the end but always settled back at 3).

Threw the 3mm rubber spacers between the stock spacers and board but I doubt I needed to. I want to keep the stock spacers since they have the motor wire clips, and think the 3mm rubber ones helped vibrations, but may go back to just stock.. we’ll see.

Gonna wait to get the open bindings/footstop(s) on before messing with the speed levels in the advanced settings too much, but at the moment feel like I’ll never use 1 or 4 so might change them up a little.

Once you get more confident then level 4 will feel like not quite enough.

My Puaida remotes do allow me to set the current, acceleration, and top speed on each of the 4 power levels. Brakes too but a different submenu, and I dont find them to be much different.

My longer wheelbase board is pretty much always level 4 100% on all and level 4 brake.

My short wheelbase kicktail board I have turned down level three, and level one is turned down so low in case a full beginner decides they absolutely must try it, and level two is for when they feel a bit more confident. Level 2 also keeps me out of trouble once I am fully warmed up and pushing the limits of urethane and don’t want to torque wheelie out of a turn, which can happen on level three and is almost a guarantee on level 4. I did lower top speed on level 3&4 on the mini’s remote to 75% but this is still 21mph. The Mini is still accelerating at 28mph but I am not comfortable on it at that speed, and dont plan to.

Unless getting chased by a pitbull, again.

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You may be right, right now even 15-17 mph feels pretty quick but once the setups dialed in I could see it not feeling that way as much.

on the m6c remote I can go into the advanced parameters and set top speed, acceleration, and current, for each level.. and then level 4 also has braking. I assume the braking is across all 4 levels and not just specific to level 4 but not positive. They’re all % values. Then theres also the 4 independent brake modes which I can swap between but not modify. Right now even level 1 braking can feel touchy haha