i’m pretty much new to this all.
I started last spring with the board mentioned above and am now loking for a replacement that is a bit more capable. I honestly am not a builder AT ALL and most likely not capable of understanding any deep technical discussions.
I’m looking for a board that’s capable to make 25 mph max, covering a range of say 25 miles.
Stumbled upon onewow who were so kind as to give me some basic build options plus pricing and, after reading the whole elofty thread, became aware of esk8supply and their taxfree shippings to germany and the following parts:
ES dual controller + remote - 199 $
Carbon Fibre Deck - 319 $
Direct Drive + 6 inch airless at wheels - 319 $
10S4P battery pack - 385 $
4A charger - 50 $
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1272 $
I tend to these parts as i really don’t know how to hold a soldering iron but the video of the guys building one of their boards looks to be something i could accomplish.
I would like to chose the 6 inch airless at tires as with a dd drive and smaller wheels i’d be afraid to damage the can - not really looking forward to going into rough terrain though - if i’m informed correctly, the drive would be too weak for real at anyway. The pu-sleeves of the ownboard hub motor are just a bit too bumpy for the roads i’m riding on.
10S4P seems decent to me as i’m not into achieving speeds higher than 25 mph but would rather like to be able to go further than the 19 miles the ownboard offers.
Good decision? Bad decision?
I’d be interested in your thoughts of the price-value-proportions and your general thoughts on my idea.
Thanks in advance - stay healthy
Direct drive and big wheels don’t go too well together.
With your budget, you can get a decent second hand board from here.
It will break down , all esk8s do at some point, so will ease yourself into it through maintenance and upgrades instead of jumping in with both feet.
These are esc/vesc crossovers, but are reported to be good units.
This looks awesome, actually. Kind of want one.
Please confirm with esk8supply that these Direct Drives have a secured can. (Some models have issues with the motor cover unscrewing)
The wheels look like Harbor Freight wheelbarrow units. Avoid. I would go Dickyho instead here, or get TB110 wheels which are awesome and easier to drive.
Make sure you check which cells and BMS this has.
Esk8supply is a good shop, so they’ll take care of you.
Would you mind elaborating why dds and big wheels don’t do a good match?
If it’s because of the torque, i’d think the combination would still outrun the ownboard’s setting. Right - wrong?
As for a used board - i had a look in the market and really couldn’t find something i’d be interested in. Thing is i bound myself to either hubs or dds, as belts and gears are just not what i’m looking for as i want to be able to still push the board if need be.
The idea of gradually wearing down and repairing a new board is ok for me.
Concerning my budget i’d rather spend 500$ than 1300, i just don’t have a clue how to accomplish a solid dd base other than buying new parts. If the consequence are well built parts that can be maintained and repaired on a constant basis, i’m happy.
As for the direct drive - the pictures of esk8supply show screws. I read the whole lofty-thread so i’m rather up to date with the problems you guys had with other versions of this drive train. I thought the ones provided by esk8supply wouldn’t have these issues - will check though.
The carbon fibre deck is really just a part more expensive than i would ever like it to be. I’m taking it into consideration for its slick design that gives housing for the battery without having bulky cases, being reasonably water- and dirt resistant (at least i hope so) and the general fact it was shown in the building video of the esk8supply-guys. If you could hook me up with a cheaper alternative - i could very well go without 319$ and carbon material.
Considering the tb110 wheels i always have the feeling that, given a can diameter of 66mm, a ground clearance of 22mm is not much. The Ownboard’s got 30mm but there’s no rotating things on the axle that could take damage from stones and other debris. That’s why i imagined big wheels to be a good decision. The wheels mentioned are 6inch airless AT, Kegel compatible. Could it be possible you mixed something up, mentioning them as Harbor Freight? Even the 120mm cloud wheels seem rather small to me. Am i too concerned here??? Also I was not able to find anything related to dd in dickyho’s ebay-shop - maybe i’m just retarded - please help.
Regarding the battery it’s the good old 10S4P Samaung (typo included on lable) 30Q-pack. Should i be concerned here? Also would 10S4P be a good idea? As i mentioned: I got no idea what i’m talking about.
What terrain will you be riding on? 22mm ground clearance is pretty good for a street board
If you get a cheap ESC then yes, otherwise you could look into 12s for more top speed on whatever drivetrain you settle on. Otherwise it’s a pretty standard choice.
Yup, they are quite likely fine now if they have the fixed screws. There are so many variations that if I were buying right now (I was one of the earlier buyers of original eLofty DDs), I would double-check regardless of what photos were on the site.
Yeah, I fucked that up. I was referring to these on their site:
It’s actually plenty. I am running 100mm on my DDs right now, which is fine. But 90mm was way too close for comfort and I switched them out after one ride.
Nothing wrong with a 10s4p 30Q pack. Many people are moving to 12s, but that doesn’t mean that 10s is obsolete. You’ll get significantly less range with pneumatic wheels than you’ll get with urethane, though.
@rusins - mainly on roads and bicycle ways. I’m located directly at the river rhine, so it will mainly be streets at the shore/promenade (sometimes 1cm pebbles on the streets though). On special occasions or would be nice to be able to ride on rubble as well.
I was looking for 10S as i’m not that much into speed, but rather distance.
@Fosterqc - i ditched TB as an option as it’s more than i’m willing to spend on a drive. I understand that their quality is superior, but still… too much for me.
@BillGordon - 120mm cloud wheels better choice? Contact patch seems smaller, too.
I suppose people are switching to 12S because of speed? That would be no criteria for me. 10S is the most expensive in the shop, though. Just because more cells?
Normally, I would definitely recommend. Not better than 110s, but really good in a different way. I have ridden them quite a bit and they’re seriously legit from a performance standpoint. But a spate of core failures have made these wheels a risky proposition at present. The good news is that the manufacturer appears to have fully stepped up to address this problem and soon we’ll have their new core in testing so we can hopefully get back to riding these beauties.
I see. Any alternatives then (i remember big green wheels used by a person who showcased his built in the elofty-thread. Will check for reference tomorrow).
Edit: I was wrong here. It was trampa wheels with self made squashball connectors.
Also on second thought i’d like to step away from the carbon deck, i think. One small crack and that’s it for more then 300$. Any ideas for a comparable bamboo or maple or whatever deck with enclosure?
Getting a used evolve deck from the forum would be the closest thing to that carbon fiber deck. But personally if I were you I’d look at one of eboardsperu.com enclosures and buy a matching deck
That link made me fall in love with the landyachtz evo 36 and a case from the site mentioned.
Would that be a viable build considering wheel bite?
Also does anyone know something about the " Chrome Core 105mm Kegel rubber wheels" sold at esk8supply?
Yup, other than the wheels, which I’ll be happy to be wrong about BTW, this is a nice setup. 12s will help your top speed with the 58kv motors. Looking forward to hearing your impressions once you get it all together.
Still interested in ideas for the achievable range.
Also is the efficiency of dd way worse than on belt motors?
Concerning the question if 10s4p is enough for the range i want to cover most answers i got was something like 30 km. User Bjork3n of this forum uses 10s4p on a belt drive and claims to at least reach 40km.
Any ides on that?
Btw he uses 10s4p 30q with 2x torqueboards 6355 190kv
