JUMPINATOR II | swappable batteries | lightweight MTB | HAERO | MBS | APEX

My randomness kicked in. Sorry.
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After some sessions in skate park and bmx track with the Bro I started to like the deck. Then I had my first ride in dirt park, not everywhere it was rideable due to mud and water but I could jump a bit. Unfortunately the wide deck is a problem for proper control of the board for me.

For example it is impossible to ride the single trail in dirt park with the Bro, the curves are too tight. With the Trampa it is also quite challenging but possible. With the stiff DWII deck it is really easy. Here a video from last year so you know what I’m talking about.

I might switch back to the DWII deck or just trim the Bro, let’s see.

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would be cool to see a trimmed bro, but then it wouldn’t be a bro.

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It would be a eunubro

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I guess Phil would like to kill me if I do it :joy:

I don’t get it :thinking:

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Eunuch +Bro

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:joy: :+1:

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You always have the knowledge on the most important topics :ok_hand::joy:

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Had another session in dirt park and it was sick. I’ve never jumped that high and did overshoot several times which never happened before. It seems I can jump higher and further with the Bro than with the DWII which is great. I had to crank down the red shockblocks because they felt bright yellow on landing.

I wish I had V6, the V4.12 getting hot like lava and decrease power a lot.

There were some people jumping and I had a talk with a guy. He told me his name is Richard and I told him that’s also my name. He said “I know” :laughing: :thinking: He watched videos on YT to check actual conditions of the dirt park and found my YT channel. Very funny…

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I got addicted to dirt park and had another 2 sessions today. After the first session I finally bought a new shovel and a genius broom because the dirt park needs some work and nobody does it.

The main problems are many small rocks and too narrow trails. It’s fine for bikes but I need wider trails than this:

I started to work on the roll-in first and removed the grass, some dirt and bigger stones

From top of the hill

Now it’s much safer for me when starting on the roll-inn like bikes. On the pic above you see the set-up jump which is then followed by 3 main jumps. The area before main jump 1 is alright but after that everything needs work.

Removed a lot of grass and stones to widen the path, here the landing zone of jump 1.

This is main jump 2 and my personal favorite.

Now it is wide enough to concentrate on the jump and not on the path before when some wheels roll on grass and the other on dirt.

The trail between main jump 2 and 3 is very narrow and needs massive work but had not enough time and power today.

Then I started to remove all this annoying stones and rocks in the entrance area which I have to cross everytime.

Much better :ok_hand:

This broom is the shit! I mean it’s still hard work but quite fast. It is exactly made to sweep stones and works really perfect. Then it was time to finally ride and jump.

It is unbelievable that I never crashed within the last sessions in dirt park. :crossed_fingers:
I had some close calls but somehow I could always land safe. The second hill was not easy to clear with the DWII deck but with the Bro I have to find ways not to overshoot :laughing:. I tried to lean back more at take-off and it helped a bit to get more air and less distance. Once I overshoot so much that I landed on the flat, that was a heavy impact from 2m or more height. The deck bottomed out and felt weak like butter and the trucks as well. Then I cranked the red shockblocks down, turning got quite hard but for jumping it felt more safe. Then empty battery as always…

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This is exactly what I plan to do to my local paths too! I can’t believe no one cares about the rocks and debris. Even the runners should make an effort kicking the occasional stone out if the way but they don’t :frowning:

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Meanwhile I found out that it is not enough to sweep the stones to the side because they find their way back when people (or me) ride over them on grass. Next time I throw the stones far away from the trails.

I made some progress in dirt park but now I have to be careful not to jump too far, new issues :man_shrugging:

As you can see I have some footage and the video should be finished soon.

Here some stills for now, the melon grab is still my favourite but I’m trying new grabs, too.


I did practice 2 new things, first is the nose grab.


I’m doing it a bit wrong because the nose should point more up so I must bend the front leg more and stiffen the rear leg but it feels good anyway. Next I wanna do the front truck grab, if I fly like this plus bend the front leg I should be able to do it…

The next new thing I practiced a bit is a frontside shifty. I never did this on a snowboard so this movement feels very weird and is new to me. On a shifty you rotate the lower body in one direction (up to 90°) and counter rotate with the upper body.

I need more practice and can only rotate maybe 20° for now but the feeling is great.


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Great work man, killing it! I feel like my 9" tires are too heavy to get good air on compared to 8". Do you think 8" is your favorite size so far?

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For jumping I defintely prefer 8". 9" feels safer at speed and in difficult terrain or on high speed jumps where it’s more about distance but they are heavy.

When it comes to jumping it’s all about weight so the lighter the better. I can feel the weight difference between the DWII deck and the Bro when jumping and it’s only 0.4kg (0.88lbs).

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When you jump your board do you let off the throttle completely once in the air?

Do you have any tips for throttle control and jumping that stand out to you?

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That’s a good question and is a very important point!

You should never ever even touch you throttle in the air, that’s dangerous. Important is to stop acceleration before take off and lift your thumb so you can’t touch the throttle in the air or during landing. After landing you can touch the throttle again and accelerate or brake. For example if you brake hard or full throttle in the air it means massive strain on the drivetrain when landing. If you use gears then this could lead to broken teeth in worst case.

The safest way to jump is to let off the trottle before reaching the kicker/ramp and put your finger on the trigger again after landing.

So what could happen when you do it different, you can learn from my mistakes :laughing:
It can happen that you unintended push full or too much throttle when reaching the kicker if you are not fully prepared (G force you know). It happend to me on bmx track that I unintented push too much throttle exactly before take off, well I did a half backflip and landed on my back, lesson learned.

Same for landing (even more important). If you thumb/finger is on the throttle the impact can cause unintended movements. It happened several times that I pushed full throttle due to the impact and that’s no fun at all.

Again in short words, imagine you jump with an analog MTB, it’s only electric before and after a jump :ok_hand:

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Did you end up figuring out the shitty torque situation?

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Not yet, to get sure I should remove the bindings and stand fakie on the board when full throtteling in reverse. On my commuter (without bindings) sometimes I switch from regular to goofy stance (to practice) and the acceleration feels much stronger then. In both cases it’s RWD and I’m riding forward. On the MTB it’s FWD when riding in reverse. In general I recognized significant less traction with FWD, that could be the reason for the burn outs in reverse only, also the body weight shifts to the truck with no motors :man_shrugging:

However this makes sense to me for 2WD but you have 4WD :thinking: Any chance to stand fakie on the board? That would be very interesting.

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Only if I took the bindings off. Mine is still out of action for a little while unfortunately :sleepy:

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Time for some updates…

I had some sessions but couldn’t ride as much as I wanted. Often the dirt park was too muddy or I had other problems like a slimy flat or loose motor gear.

I got issues with the motor wire managment. The vibrations from riding/jumping is even to much for the epoxy, it broke on both motors.

So once again

I realized the wires bounce around like crazy and there is a lot of strain, also the wires bend down which is not good.

My professional method to support the wires are rubber bands for now but it works :laughing:

I am working on a 12s2p with 21700 Molicel P42A cells. If the voltage sag is not too horrible I’ll build a second pack for swapping. I expect about 5V voltage sag at 50 battery amps.

I bought 2 cheap very small charge only BMS. The disadvantage is that there is no balancing but at least charging stops when the first cell reaches 4.2V. Need to check cell voltages from time to time.

Now I need to decide between 5 options how to lay the 24 cells (ignore the battery poles)

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5 (if I’m funny)

The good thing is that I could build a 3p or even 4p in the future which has the same width and length, just higher. I haven’t decide on the best way to swap battery packs but maybe velcro.

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