Why do you think trying to move away from cars is overrated? In a conversation about environmental impacts and sustainability it pretty much has to be brought up if we are thinking about the long term. EVs in general are a stopgap solution that, barring insane leaps in tech, will eventually hit a wall like the video said. Taking steps to work towards more sustainable infrastructure rather than vehicles is the long term solution to the problem. There are also a multitude of other reasons moving away from cars is a good thing, reducing income inequality being one of the major ones.
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The biggest problems I see come from the way laws and regulations are written. The way we classify trucks basically allows them to be exempt from fuel regulations and fleet averages. Plus you can only claim vehicles over 6000lb as business expensible vehicles, which incentivizes people to purchase large, inefficient vehicles for their âbusinessâ for a $25k tax break.
Also the way we measure fuel economy is dumb
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Lmao thatâs not fun at all
The point of tuning your car is for max Vrooms
Probably because Iâm middle class and donât really have a problem affording my car 
Everyone will think different things depending on their worldview - I love nature and all that but I donât see the problem being the cars we drive
Thatâs great! Iâm glad you have those options. Thereâs definitely shades of car centrism.
Why is it that you said you couldnât access amenities without a car though, if your area works like this? Itâs easy to do in my area, and in fact the majority of people arenât car owners.
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If you donât own a car in my area you have to use the garbage bus system, those are the only two transport options
It would be rare to find anyone in socal that doesnât own a car - Iâd say average 2-4 cars per 4 person family with driving kids
I suppose you could bike tho if we are considering other forms, but then you have to put the bike somewhere when you arrive
Work for me is 10 miles from my house, dentist probably 7 to 8 miles, doctor idk I havenât been
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Oof i feel ya, Iâve lived places with bad transit too. Oceans of car parking, and barely anywhere to lock up a bike. Biking on arterial roads was suicidal anyway, not sure what i was thinking lol.
The more dense a location, the more effective public transit gets for the same input money, thatâs another big advantage.
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Itâs all outlined perfectly in the post directly above yours, and it makes a TON of sense. Cars cause a lot more pollution than they create just themselves, because they cause the entire city to be built differently and 10x more spread out. Which means everything is 10x further away, which means everything involving transportation is 10x more difficult, which reinforces the need for the car in the first place, which increases the incentive for building the city even more spread out.
Look at the neighborhoods in your city built before 1920, and look at all the areas of your city built from 1930 to now. Theyâre probably drastically different. The difference is cars.
If your metro area is 10x bigger than itâs far more likely your new job will need a car instead of an esk8, ebike, escooter, bus, or train. And having the car leads to real estate decisions that are even further away, which exacerbates the problem even further. Itâs a self-sustaining feedback loop. Cars beget cars. They donât merely make an otherwise similar existence easier. They are hostile to other forms of living because they change real estate purchasing decisions which affect the very need for cars themselves by changing how new construction is undertaken.
And this isnât even touching pollution caused by the cars themselves or their manufacture. Doesnât even address that. At all.
Exhibit A: Southern California versus NYC
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Are we still ignoring the fact that you canât take road trips or transport other people with you in a car
At the end of the day it just feels like complaining to complain - there is not going to be some big change in our society that suddenly makes them disappear lol
Iâll be happy to eat my words if it does though I just donât think itâs going to happen
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Murder isnât going away tomorrow, but that doesnât mean itâs okay or we shouldnât strive to eliminate it at all times.
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RightâŚ
You alluded murder
To driving a car
Makes sense
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Car brain causes climate change which is an impending disaster for humans.
Okay Iâm done here lol this was fun
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If it makes some places reduce zoning restrictions and invest more in public transit, then that would be mission partially accomplished. Any change would be incremental. Amsterdam wasnât built in a day.
I however, am just complaining because Iâm a miserable bastard. Youâre on the money 
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I love the internet
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@ShutterShock I know you are done engaging in this but if you want to see an example of how the Dutch changed their infra from car-centric to people centric since the 70s here is an example: How the Dutch got their cycle paths - YouTube
Itâs a very long and slow process to change infrastructure but the long term benefits are worth it in my opinion. Also I know the murder analogy was a bit hyperbolic but the amount of deaths due to cars is one of the main reasons that they transitioned away from them.
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If I have some time I may give it a watch
To be clear I wouldnât mind having more bike paths, I just donât think cars going anywhere within the next 20 years
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I fully agree on that sentiment lol. Cars arenât going anywhere anytime soon, at least in the US. I always argue to make changes no matter how small because over the course of 20+ years itâs possible have infra thatâs on the way to being as good as the Netherlands is currently.
Also sorry to throw another vid at you but driving can also be better if we setup roads properly. If there are less people driving cars that also means less traffic for the ones that do. The Best Country in the World for Drivers - YouTube
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Also people outside the US canât really relate - everything here is just so far away
I could drive for 10+ hours and still be in my same sate lol
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Do you think murder is going away in the next 20 years?
If not, do you think we should just throw up our arms and ignore the problem?