Battery transport 🔥

I wanted to post this in battery builders, but this isn’t about building. More about how you handle packs afterward.

I recently consolidated most of my packs and cells into a single container to move from one spot to another after an extended work absence.

Packs are at storage voltages (3.8 and 3.7v) and balanced. No packs with a history of impact, questionable puff (lipos) or excessive discharge are in mix. I got rid of them prior to storage.

I will be stuck with this pelican case of doom for about a week of not having a real house and garage with appropriate storage. The case will be inside an AC cooled room when not in car.

The good:

+The biggest and oldest lipos are in fireproof bags.
+the case has padding
+fire extinguisher is next to case containing cells
+case is in climate controlled indoor area near a patio door (overnight location)
+zero intention of leaving them in the car without direct supervision
+12s series packs disconnected to 6s packs when possible

The bad:

-all packs are in very close proximity
-30ah of brand new factory lipos are not in fire bags, still in Amazon box
-case is flammable (but airtight, Pelican case)
-mains leads and balance leads are randomly tucked in with cells
-batteries in a car, in SoCal.

-How do you move batteries from point A to point B?
-Comment on my battery care sins if not confessed above.

For context (and maybe bragging rights), I have 6.4kwh of lithium batteries in a single pelican case. (A hybrid Prius has about 8kwh, the newest Tesla model y is rocking 75 to 80 kWh)

And finally, this Lincoln rental sucked up $125 in 91 octane in a single refill, it’s lead acid battery is doing fine.

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Something to possibly consider…
Storage voltages of 3.7V, 3.8V, and other high voltages like that, are fine for long term storage but leaves a great deal of energy in the cells.

Discharging down to about 30% state-of-charge is the standard used by manufacturers now and it removes a great deal of the energy that would be available to cause a fire and/or ignite other cells in case of a short-circuit or physical damage to a cell.

If the cells/packs are not being stored for long periods without being checked then discharging them down to a much lower voltage can remove a lot of risk.

For standard li-ion chemistry this is about 3.35V or so. For LiPo’s you would have to check a low current discharge graph for the cells you have to see what voltage 30% is. The lower the voltage the better though, as long as the cells do not drop down below about 3.0V in storage.

Other thoughts…

  • Keeping the packs separate helps prevent spread of a thermal runaway situation but is not convenient.
  • Protecting each pack individually can help protect them from vibration/shock/physical damage as well as short-circuiting.
  • A fire extinguisher cannot help with a thermal runaway event but can put out any fires the cells cause once the thermal runaway has stopped.
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wow thats cheap. whats the tank size? 100L ?

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Liters?? Lol I would imagine it is an 22 or 24 gallon tank

Cool info though Mike

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Yeah, you know Metric system that makes sense :smiley: you should try it!
So rougly 84L

Filled up my car today for 170 bucks, its a 55L tank :joy:

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Man prices in Europe are getting out of hand, the prices have literally doubled in a year.

In sweden petrol is taxed at 60%. Cause you know, why the fuck not, 1 kWh was 7kr(0.7usd) this morning as well x) Atleast saleries are following the inflation (not)

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27.01 norwegian kroner for 1 litre diesel today. DIESEL! :smiley:

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Plot twist, he means 170 Swedish Kroner and paid €15.80 for a tank

Holy shit that’s bad, and you guys have oil

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Just a small bit of information. Airtight enclosures don’t necessarily protect from catastrophic battery events.

Ask me how I know. :smiling_imp::fire:

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Yea. I think the state is making ALOT of money right now. Selling for almost double price.

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this is true. Once the cells start venting fire from over heating they don’t actually need oxygen to melt and/or burn everything in their path.

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That is…if the container can even survive the rapid increase in pressure.

This test was a hoot:

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