An Evasive icon: The ESCape

[DerelictRobot]

To @Deodand’s credit, I don’t believe he’s been employed there for a good while now and continues to provide tech support daily + firmware/UI updates.

He said he would and has stood by that. Deserves credit & recognition.

[Trampa]

Good to know for the customers. However, it is a burden.

[Trampa]

Public pressure doesn’t work in this case. If it would have worked it would have saved plenty of $$$$
Jeffrey was not willing to play it unfair, so I guess that he made it happen for the community. Heads up for that!

[jeffwuneo]

Good to know for the customers. However, it is a burden.

So is just like VESC project.

[Trampa]

There are maybe 1000 Unities on the market. Maintaining the software for a low number of devices is a different thing. VESC-Tool compatible devices exist in a different number and there are developers around sending pull requests and actually working with the code base.

[Trampa]

A Slight Adjustment In Policy

First of all, let me thank you all for being an amazing group of people with a metric fuckton of awesome to offer the esk8 community. Most of you have been in the community long enough to see it grow substantially with more noobs showing up every day with the same lust for speed and torque and beautiful builds we all had in the beginning and still have today. So with that being said, I just want to announce a small shift in policy that will hopefully bring even more noobs with more lust for bea…

[Kellag]

You love it, you’re a bad little girl

[Aethyr]

Show me a product with the reliability track record of the VESC6, same warranty/support quality, no preorders, no scams and is ready to be shipped across the ocean in 2-3 days. All that while being the only hardware manufacturer that supports Vedder.

Give me all of that with lower price than Trampa and I’ll agree with you.

Torqueboards soon to be released vesc 6 clone. Meets all of the above. And will be cheaper. The ESCape was way cheaper too. Blah blah, yeah it was a group buy and shit, but was way cheaper than a vesc6. So Trampa comes in claiming it was because he sold it too cheap that he disappeared, in a sad attempt to justify vesc6 price. But he gets called on his bullshit and Frank quickly changes his tune, moves the goalposts, and admits he harassed stewii with fucking external design bullshit. As if an ESC can’t be a fucking rectangle. Oh no, the wires and jst plugs are all on the same place!

You know what a company with an overpriced product that is easily replicated does? They resort to lawsuits to destroy competition so they can maintain their inflated prices. Someone brought up the example of Josef Prusa. He open sourced his 3d printer and there are million clones out there. But instead of wasting his time with lawsuits he fucking innovates so much the clones can’t keep up and he’s making more money than he ever would have with a million C&D letters.

[Trampa]

Meets all of the above.

Software R&D?
Only 60 days warranty!

[jeffwuneo]

[Tamatoa]

Jeff got a sense of humour I see

[longhairedboy]

@BillGordon thanks for staying on this thread and doing the best you can with it. This may not be the biggest challenge as faras threads go but i can see how difficult it is to mod these kinds of discussions.

@Trampa thanks for not completely losing your cool, pretty much, ever. I don’t have half the patience you do in the face of public adversity.

@jeffwuneo thanks for being you.

[abusfullofnuns]

Well, that was an interesting waste of an afternoon. This should be added to a required reading list for the new folks. Not sure that it resolved anything but definitely informed.

Also interesting to see that Jeffwuneo was the esk8 golden boy just over five months ago. Tough crowd here. Lol.

[Skyart]

You are getting caught up with alot of esk8 history very fast! Lol

[BillGordon]

@abusfullofnuns

Tough crowd here.

Tough crowd here when you try to deceive.

[DerelictRobot]

Bump.

This thread is worth a read for anyone unaware of @trampa’s illegal business practices.

Blatant anti-competition from a company supposedly supporting open source development.

Fun starts here:

An Evasive icon: The ESCape

Wow just wow! Not sure what it is that you are taking but damm it must be strong. Can’t imagine he would talk with you after your actions. I had a great contact with stewii at the time and don’t know what happen. We worked together regarding housings and I did ESCape logo for him. One day he just stop anwsering. My take on this is that Frank made this whole thing not worth doing for him especially that they are both on UK but THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION! Here’s something to back this up… stewwi …

I do not personally buy Trampa products or associate with them as a direct result of these immoral and/or small dick energy practices.

@Frank

Hi Andre,

as I have seen on the forum, you are planning to make bigger batches of the HW 6.
I want to inform you about the fact that we have obtained various design rights of the VESC SIX. They cover the product as a almost square box with cover plate, cables and connectors/ports. They don’t show any colours, nor any specific graphics, and in consequence all colour and graphic options are protected. The designs are about the shape, proportions and visual appearance of the product we placed on the market and not about colour and logos and cover PCB design. .

If you plan to put a HW 6 ESC on the market, please consider to use a substantial different design to ours to avoid clashing with our designs. There are many ways to design a housing and place the connectors. The Esk8 1.1 controller and FOCBOX are good examples of how a design can differ from ours.
The current design you use is obviously a straight copy of our product. Placing such a product on the market breaches our IP and confuses customers, thinking they can get the same product/quality from a different vendor at a different price tag. Since it is not the same product/quality, you should avoid to confuse customers by using the very same design. There is a good reason why you can protect your designs. It takes time and efforts to build up a fabulous product/brand reputation! If you steal a design you also steal some of the product reputation someone else built up.

I hope you understand our position and will act accordingly, avoiding any clashes with our IP.

My advice to you is: Never copy a product, always get inventive and try to create your own product, having its own USPs and features. This way you avoid legal clashes and you put yourself in a better position when you build up your own brand and reputation. Always make your product distinctly different from the product of your competition.

• the words of Frank Drenckhahn.

[Posterduck]

@Frank

My advice to you is: Never copy a product, always get inventive and try to create your own product, having its own USPs and features. This way you avoid legal clashes and you put yourself in a better position when you build up your own brand and reputation. Always make your product distinctly different from the product of your competition.

LOL, that aged well…

[webst]

Anyone has one ESCApe somewhere? My dual has internal shortage on PCB (checked with x-ray) and I need anything that fits in it’s place.