actually lol’d at this
In all seriousness though, I don’t understand the appeal of these suspension systems that have waaaay too many failure modes… imho that’s just unnecessary weight & complexity.
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It helps with rocky terrain or even tree roots that are on the path. I’ve never ridden with suspension so i wouldnt know how affective it is. But i know for sure i want binders when i go offroading
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I carried it around, before it got heavier. 
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Oh and my board is lighter than this and will have around 40 km range , if I do general cruising
Raymond Babbitt: I’m an excellent driver.
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I heard about that.
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Y’all shortsighted.
Nobody in this thread appears to have been grinding their ass through some razor sharp stones due to clearance issues. I welcome you all to drop by and open throttle around here. Gonna be allot of bouncy fun with some stone snagging mixed in.
It’s a shame these boards are almost never shown under such riding conditions. Most Baja folk seem to be using it on tarmac for kicks and yt views. Idiots.
Clearance is king for some. If you don’t get it, you’re clearly not the target audience. If you don’t like maintenance and only want to swap out bushings/belts/tires, you’re not the target audience.
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Are you talking about the Raptor 2?
Whole different story there bud. Nobody fucks up like Jason does. He is several levels beyond FUBAR.
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That right there is a remote that was used for the Meepo too back in 2018.
This is not a good sign and may also explain why the weak battery is not that much of a problem. Amp output is most likely limited.
From my guess, 30A per motor.
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I cam see what ur saying, but In my defense, if the terrain is that rough, then I’m better off walking. Yes clearance is absolute but whats the point of going through terrain that rough if you’re going at a crawl. Sure having the capability to skate through is cool, but not practical for me.
The offroad terrain I’d ride is a dirt path of a hiking trail where at worst u encounter some tree roots on the way. But thats just me.
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I really appreciate you all taking the time to discuss the CYCLEAGLE’s products. In the last 24 hours, we have received a lot of valuable suggestions, and it is very exciting to communicate with people who really understand e-skateboards. I don’t believe that there would be a perfect product that is suitable for everyone. As for us, the CYCLEAGLE ASSN-4S, a product that is ready for mass production and will be launched in the market soon, we genuinely welcome anyone’s doubts and criticisms on this product which will make the next generations of the product better and allow the brand to go further. I also want to use such a good platform to explain our product and why we did it.
1. Why we made this board and what’s its positioning?
We first wanted to make this e-skateboard because traditional esk8 is limited to only a few terrains to ride on. We hope to give most ordinary people who like to play e-skateboards another alternative, an e-skateboard that can be applied in more scenarios and having higher passibility for different terrains.
When we define this product, we are pursuing the ability for all-terrain, thus the passibility and comfortability during handling are more important to us. It is evident in our design that we have improved the ground clearance to enhance passibility, and adopted the independent suspension system with effectual shock absorption, meanwhile strengthening the stability. In addition, as the automotive’s R&D researchers, we have made great efforts on improving the product’s stability, safety, and reliability.
After deliberate consideration, we have decided to make a product that is more comfortable, more affordable all-terrain board. And it’s not until then that we started to configure its parameters and specifications. We understand that this product is not the strongest performing product in esk8, but our original intention is not to display any extreme performance as it will make consumers spend more than they can bear. We hope that more people can enjoy the fun of outdoor adventures, as you might have seen that we are not pursuing the ultimate in power parameters such as battery size and maximum speed.
When we define application scenarios for this product, the more common application scenarios that come to mind are the followings:
- Outdoor play tools. You can glide directly to the jungle path or any outdoor road conditions, or you can put them in the trunk to go to farther places as a tool to get an intimacy with nature.
- As a small vehicle paired up with outdoor vehicles such as RVs, you can use it to play around or go shopping after the vehicle is parked.
- As a commuting tool for non-hardened roads, including dirt road, stone road, and other bumpy roads, this is undoubtedly a good choice for users who live in the surroundings with many non-hardened roads.
If you have more suggestions for application scenarios, please feel free to submit them.
2. How’s the reliability of this board? Is it a mistake to use Casting?
This is really a key point, and I would like to take more time to explain it in detail. Just like how we define the product, we hope to enhance the product comfortability with an all-terrain passibility that most people are able to afford. Undoubtedly, we don’t want to deliver a poor quality product with half price, which requires frequent maintenance. It’s not a smart way to launch your first brand and hurt our brand in the long term. What we aim for is not to DIY one or two skateboards but to provide a reliable product with stable performance. Therefore, from the end of 2018 to the present, we have spent more than a year verifying the materials used for mass production and whether the production process meets the market requirements.
What we concern about the most is the main structural strength, as you might have observed that the main structures have made revolutionary changes throughout the previous generations of prototypes. That is mainly from the design aspect and the verification of the small batches of hand-held models. From the design stage, we carried out the design with triple loadings and have done simulation calculations and performed PT and PVS verification later.
For CYCLEAGLE ASSN-4S, I have listed a series of test projects we have done below. In 2019, for a single road test, we have extended our range as long as 20,000km, with four types of terrains tested in proportion. It took us four months to completely verify its durablity.
Here is some video links show how we tested the board:
You can see some of wheels look like during 20,000 km road test.
3. About the differences between CYCLEAGLE and Bajaboard.
I really respect Bajaboard and their team, it’s very exciting to know that someone on the other side of the world is thinking about a similar solution. The CYCLEAGLE team has been together for 7 years. It is not easy to continuously iterate and optimize the product in this niche market and I consider that the Bajaboard team also experienced a lot. As a founder of a start-up, also a pure e-skateboarder and RC model enthusiast, I actually welcome and encourage anyone to make new attempts and exploration ideas in this category.
We bought a Bajaboard in 2019. Indeed, the same application of independent suspension of cars on the e-skateboard makes our appearance quite alike. However, you can find that we have great differences from the structure of the board to the control principle when you have really experienced these two products.
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The wheel design is different. We have used a combination steering knuckle which resolves the kinematic relationship between steering and wheel take-off while increasing ground clearance. This is a highly reliable and certified technical solution; the Mercedes-Benz G-series off-road vehicle also adopted this solution. This design is completely different from other products.
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The linking method of the upper A-arm is different. We used the method of linking and fixing with the main suspension of the chassis. When the wheel receives an upward impact, the contact point of the tire with the ground will not translate. Therefore, no lateral tension is generated during the tire take-off process caused by road conditions which will cause severe tire abrasion and loss of energy consumption.
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Different steering. As I mentioned it earlier, we are a start-up team of RC fans and car design, we use a car-like four-wheel coordinated steering and incorporated design of double A-arm breaking point. The wheel central axis deviation of the turning radius is within 1.3 degrees by calculating the ideal spatial position of the steering tie rod based on the suspension structure which greatly reduces tire abrasion during turning.
In addition, we also pursue different product positioning. I think that Bajaboard tends to pursue extreme power and performance, thus having a larger output current of controller and battery. From the perspective of our product positioning, we are more pursuing outdoor passability, comfortablity, stability, and safety, so we give up highly extreme speeds and a strong acceleration to improve passability. It is a technical trade-off to reduce the volume for placing in the trunk and make replaceable batteries to improve battery life. We stay neutral when comparing with the competitor as we can’t say which one is better：F1 cars with great acceleration or Jeep Wrangler with higher passability.
4. Why did CYCLEAGLE spend 7 years to do this thing?
It seems like an inefficient thing that the CYCLEAGLE team spent 7 years making our 4 generations of products. 
Originally, we are just consisted of 3 like-minded friends who wanted to design the first prototype and none of us was not full-time. To DIY such a skateboard and constantly test iterations is a particularly expensive process. We initially had to work and develop the product at the same time to support this idea. We showed 4 generations of prototypes, but there are actually 7 generations. The main bodies of the middle generations have not changed much, but the components have been dismantled and reorganized into a new generation. Meanwhile, the cost may reduce only when the machine is being mass-produced, and we can achieve our original intention of making a product that is “better comfort, all-terrain, and affordable”. Therefore, we have been looking for investment opportunities during this stage. It is difficult to find investment in such a small niche market. In fact, we did not get the first round of investment until the end of 2018.
I have no intention of arguing with anyone, because the everyone’s opinions should be open to discussion. We make the products we wanted to deliver to the market in the way we expected. There are many ways to deliver a product. This forum has a lot of very professional people who can point us to better ways to improve this product and reduce the risk of this product. We feel it is a very valuable experience, so we can continue to optimize and iterate on the product. Thank you very much for discussing and giving advice.
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I see it marketed as an all terrain board. But then you go on to describe your testing… the strength of the front bumper. The rust ability of aluminum parts. And then a bunch of ride testing In a flat parking lot. Where are the thousands of kilometers of off road testing, or the tests of what happens if your front right wheel clips a root when on a path? What are the tests proving the long term off-road durability of your cast parts? Your tests are what a street long board should go through, not an all terrain one.
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The problem with this kind of marketing/description is the extensive use of buzz words without a single number to prove your point.
People here can read numbers and even understand them.
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People who fall to buzz words fucking deserve it and people who shit out buzz words for pure profit deserve to be drawn and quartered. We, at least in the U.S., however, live in a “civil society” and we’ll push that claim until the very day China and Russia put aside their differences to steamroll us from the planet. Country will probably be very deserving of it at that point too…
/end rant, p.s. @dani chubby should be arriving shortly, as long as you aren’t shut out of your office by then. Lotta stupid shit came up and I’d put off getting it out…
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pm’d you
Here we see the diyeboard v1.1 dual belt speed controller. It claims 50a continuous and 120a burst. As we all know those numbers might be a little exaggerated, and at the very least it’s not enough to compete with the baja board. In fact I would bet that the meepo 4wd (which uses the same ESC) would beat this board in a drag race due to smaller wheels and lighter weight.
For $1500 I’ll go with a onewheel.
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So they use those generic chinese esc’s? I have acouple of these laying around, and trustworthy is not what i would call them.
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It’s the one area where the police does not find me.
Alternative is a 2000 Euro fine and loosing my driver’s license.
The road is OK most of the time, but those few rocks that stick out of the ground around 7 cm can kill you. The other shit around here is blast rubble. Small, but sharp and jaggy stones that are used to strengthen the dirt roads and fill pot holes. Combine that and you’ve got a hole in your arm (got different elbow pads now).
Stone punched through my skin a year back, 2 weeks hospital and 2 month recovery time. That may be worth a Baja…
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