I havenāt! I shall try and see how it feels 
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Send it!!!
Woah now there, u donāt wanna get sued again
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Canbus cable for 4wd?
Yessir, twisted and shielded
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@XBoard we are very willing to discuss this with you, itās just that whenever someone tryās to, your response is āwow what a fanboy, Iāve been wronged and youāre ignoring itā
So letās discuss. What features on the apex gloves are you claiming you developed and they stole from you?
Please donāt respond with ājust look at the pictures yourself, itās clearly a copy!ā That is not moving the conversation forwards. Thanks.
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too late, velcroās lawyers are on the hunt
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Mocked up a nice comparison for everyone to draw from:
If Iām being 100% honest, I say the outsides of them look significantly different.
The palm sideā¦ Idk. Same rivet placement, pad size, and pad placement. The upper pad is the same shape as Xboard but omits the rivets.
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Adding this photo, because I think itās a fair representation of the similarities that xboard is taking issue with.
- There are similarities, but Apex made the design their own modifying features, offering a differentiated product.
- As @DerelictRobot pointed out, there are no design protections on gloves
- Xboard and apex are on different continents, so let me ask Xboard, is all this shit slinging really worth the damage to your brand that you are incurring?
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Is this different to franks trampAIRs?
https://forum.esk8.news/t/divisive-polls-only/73965/416?u=rosco
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Come on
One actually say something he whant to know what happened and is @Static
After all the rest was defending some bad practice company
Because they like them or donāt like I point what shady move they do
First do you think this is really respectful to ask a company to work with it and behind to this move
Also escuse me but texting in English is not my point for so to explain is a little harder but in perso will be more easy
The air is really a modified truck from an e-toxx design.
When it come to things like gloves, mounts, gear drives, etc etc, it can be hard to find innovations, when most of the time, function defines the form. There is always going to be some overlap, I can understand where both parties are coming from.
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Every good idea we have had has been integrated into other designs, ESC cases, gearbox ideas, shockpads etc etc etc. Ideas we have spent lots of time and money developing - Itās what happens when you donāt have IP protection in a small industry like this. We will make almost no money off these gloves, we made more money this week selling gearboxes than we would make in 2 years of selling these gloves. Itās not about money, Itās something I personally wanted to do because weāve been unable to source anything at a decent enough price and I wanted to provide some. We asked flatland if we could resell, they donāt have the stock. We asked X if we could resell his but he wanted too much money. Maybe his are much higher quality, iāve never seen them so I donāt know, but we didnāt want to pay that much money so it was a no deal.
Id like to see where those that are not happy with this have also said the same things when our ideas also get integrated into other designs. Who here kicked off when 3d services took our shaft seal and push fit idea into their new gearbox? Who kicked off that Core mountainboards are selling a eMTB with shockpads that are the same as ours? etc etc
I honestly and genuinely thought we had made them different enough, X I couldnāt care if we take them off sale just to stop all this, itās a few 100 dollars worth of gloves that nobody has any IP protection on. some of the features are the same because - its a glove.
Making the gloves was my idea and I wish I never bothered. Some people on this forum have short or selective memories and forget all the good you do for years and years and fucking years
X I tried to talk to you on yesterday but all you did is just tell me how much of a bad person I am, not really sure what you want to achieve by carrying this on any further?
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Dommage to my brand for pointing bad practices
And how disrespectful they did it
I was expected more about people here and be more fair of judgment
Really sad to see this
But I have learned
But I guess like @Savage1 I need to lean in the room Iām
Look like if younot a friend of the friend
You better to keep you head dow
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First you didnāt say or try to discuss about price
At list I should have heard sorry price is to hight
Will work on our own
Second think try to speak with me
The only think you say is we share some puck rest is totally different and is not glove are 95% same
So most make me so sad
Is how your move is disrespectful. It is this I whant to point the most rest not really important
Iām not involved in this, and from the outside, it looks like your brand is being damaged by obessively trying to drag Apex and Lee through the dirt, sending other people to pollute their social media, and not listening at all, to what anyone else says. Itās rude, and unprofessional.
Also, your English is fine. I can understand it no problem. The issues is what is being chosen to air publicly, without any listening to what others are saying.
I donāt know about those other instances, specifically because Iām not very aware or connected to what comes out in this industry. Admittedly, my attention is usually elsewhere.
However, I made it known that when MBoards released that eMTB, that it was very obviously a clone of the Apex Predator.
I was salty about it for a bit, and then I got over it. And the Apex Predator isnāt even my board.
Separately, I had someone I considered a friendly colleague literally steal my ideas and processes. Like, from within my shop. Photos and everything. Then laid out that they intend to produce what I do for cheaper and in larger numbers. A literal, proposed, reproduction of the same product.
I was salty for a while, I bitched vehemently to my friends and other colleagues Iāve known for a while. We commisserated in how fucked up it was. I got guidance from people I respect, and I had a conversation with this person over the phone, to confirm that what I thought I heard, was correct and that I wasnāt going crazy due to stress.
After that, I put my head down, improved what I was doing and how I was doing it, and put extra work in to offer value in more ways, and have a better offering before that other product can even release.
Because as @Lee_Wright said, in a small industry with small companies, thatās just how it goes.
Lee has conducted himself with poise, and dignity, and has contributed to the industry in many, many ways. Not just through the products that Apex offers, but in the YouTube videos he made, that were pivotal in me even being able to start a business at all.
For those things, this community should be grateful.
And this whole brouhaha, from the outside, looks unfortunate and silly.
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Ok Mario
Just one think
To be fair I ask one person to say something and he say NO
The other I didnāt
I have no control on this
So thank you to understanding
Also about my English
What Iām saying is difficult for me to explain everything with kindness or more cool
I know everyone can understand me
But I donāt have the finesse of work like other
Hope this make you more understanding what I mean
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One of the reasons many of us are able to enjoy the hobby is because of the relatively cheap price of products manufactured in China. I am warning you guys, this may come to an abrupt end in the near future. There are two options that I can see. Move manufacturing of parts back to the United States or find another county such as Mexico or Vietnam to make parts in.
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Mexico, Poland etc etc. Its going to happen
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Move to USA
spend the money you win in your country in your country and make job for people
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