Mooch’s Bench Test Results: Samsung 50S - 25A 5000mAh 21700…a great performer but ran a little hot

Yea, it’s going to take a while before these come down in price…maybe a long, long while.

Basically, for any cells we buy we have to wait until there is excess inventory at one or more of the big customers for these cells. It gets sold off and eventually makes its way to a distributor or cell rewrapper who sells to vendors who sell to the various communities (esk8, vaping, flashlight, etc.). There is an occasional unauthorized direct sale by an unscrupulous sales rep at one of big manufacturers but this doesn’t happen often.

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Heh à 12s3p will run 666wh at 3.7v per cell, you will please Skatan :smirk:

Your wallet won’t be tho!

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@Battery_Mooch what is the sag like on these cells compared to the P42A?

Compare the delivered-Wh numbers for those two cells here: 20700/21700 Battery Ratings | E-Cigarette Forum

The lower the E-Score (Wh) the shorter the run time due to voltage sag and/or capacity differences.

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So it seems like the 50S outperforms the P42 with regards to sag at 5A, 10A, 15A, and 20A, but falls short of the P42A at 30A per your tests.

Would an esk8 battery in real world conditions pull more than 20A a cell? Thus, seems like the 50S trumps the P42A (except for cost).

Depends on the setup and how you ride

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I ride fairly aggressively but have only pulled 40A max out of 12s/170-190kv builds. (That was on a full battery accelerating up a very steep hill.) Between 2:1 and 4.4:1 ratios. All 3 are geared primarily for torque.

Granted I am on the lighter side, so that might impact things?

For context, I’m thinking of a 18 or 20s HV build with low KV and 7-8” wheels. Ratio of around 5.2:1 to 3.25:1 Do you think something of this sort would pull more than 20A/cell?

(I’ve already plugged lots of different numbers into the calculators and they don’t seem to suggest a high current draw, likely due to the HV nature.)

likely due to the pack being large :stuck_out_tongue:

100%. Battery current on a board is proportional to total power draw, and weight plays a big role.

I think if you’ve only pulled 40A battery from 12s builds, then your high voltage build (assuming it’s at least 2P) will pull even less, so yeah, seems like the Samsung 50S is the cell of choice for you, assuming it’s cheaper than the P45B :slight_smile:

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The 50S is the (slightly) better choice at under 25A or so. Above that the P42A is better, especially at very high current levels.

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I’m planing to rebuild my 12s2p in my Zealot S. Which cell would be better suited for this config. the Molicel P42A or the Samsung 50s?

Find out how much current you are drawing from the cells and use my previous post as a guide to choosing.

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I think the esc is pulling 50A total, so 25A per P group. Kinda puts you right in the middle. Mooch can give you a better reccomendation, but I’d say if your riding it hard most of the time, 42a might be slightly better. For mixed riding 50s.

Typical, I’d go with 42A for 25A per p group requirement.

50s for 20A.

Overall I don’t think you can go wrong either way.

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Thx man!