Being intoduced the Meepo enclosed gear drive on the MLR for a short time I can’t say what reciprocity understanding Linnpower Meepo and Newbee have on this design. My understanding is that Chinese businesses tend to use each others tech and stay in communications with each other even when stepping on their competitors feet.
If anyone has any statements, posts or threads, they would point me too to clarify what this is all about I would be glad to review the past and try to figure out where this issue stands present with Linn, Kieran and Ethan
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Totally fair, especially considering the partnership with Meepo I see no reason to not make use of those kinds of resources from China, especially considering Linn is already offering those drives I see no reason why other manufacturers shouldn’t have the same freedom to do so (assuming there isn’t some sort of agreement going on behind the scenes)
What I take issue with is when a brand is toted as pushing the hobby forward while that brand is engaging in behavior that seemingly sacrifices progression and improvement in favor of stomping down any would-be competitors. To do so I think is to directly work against progress especially when those smaller creators are designing things that you don’t actually offer.
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https://www.instagram.com/newbee_electric/p/Ckr5gLspPht/?img_index=1
“You can clone our concept, but the quality would tell the differences! The smooth, the quiet…is something you can’t achieve! by just copy!” (2022 November)
This was posted a long time ago, I guess when Linn released his first drives? Not 100% sure. But doesn’t sound like they had an agreement behind the curtains.
I don’t have problems with other vendors adapting ideas already used if they make a significant enough improvement over the original product, admittedly I don’t know if Linn’s first iteration was a direct copy or an actual improvement. The current version with all steel gears I’d consider that enough of an improvement to be fine with a new vendor releasing his own take on a concept.
My point is in mine and it looks like the majority of the community’s opinion, Tommy’s hubs seems like a significant enough addition of new features so that it can’t be called a direct copy. The current gen steel on steel linns also have in my opinion significant enough differences that you can’t just call it a direct copy of the newbee drives (since for example newbee never did full steel to my knowledge), not sure about all the previous gens, as I wasn’t following plastic drives too closely, especially not for production boards. But by extension, if you justify calling Tommy’s hubs copies, then you should also justify calling Linn’s current gen drives copies, at least when considering newbee’s post I linked above.
I think the options for enclosed steel on steel drives are quite limited right now that apex and bn are no longer producing them, and I’m definitely not against you using them. As I said the steel ones have enough differences from the old original ones for me to consider it fair. Just be aware of the backstory and act consistent according to that.
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@MoeStooge any hope of spur gears being back in stock before tef1? Noticed the store page for em on the stooge site is gone atm, will they be restocked at all going forward?
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78t’s are back in stock but i don’t think the 67’s will be
They haven’t update the website. How do you order the 78T gears?
you can always order stuff if it’s not on the shop by messaging Moe directly
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This one is the origional ran on ol grumpy back when we began develpoing the esk8 race wheel with BRP in 2017
The drive hub has made some changes over the years as have the race wheel
We used Mod .8 gears and ran the first ever uphill run at a downhill event on this hub. There was an outer plate that spuded into the front of the hub to support the wheel.
The gen2 hub had 30x10mm bearings with the current bearing spud cap to support the wheel.
We also ran the OG drive hub/BRP wheel combo to 54mph on the Dirt.
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Por why no more spur compatibility with mbs hubs?
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Dina Katch interview
V-5
MLR
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Enjoy time spent with your family amd friends.
Hope you all have a great Easter.
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Highly recommended you guys try these. Team MAD loves them.
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why post meepo hubs when you just nuked your gears’ support for them 
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Track testing the M-Boards supernova on the meepo wheel with the SRB open Spur.
I was outsourcing the spur centers cnc. Sales have slowed so I am machining the spur centers in house. If you need a set done i would be glad to set up your wheels for open spurs.
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Maybe because of the manufacturing costs, I’d imagine it was because he was outsourcing centers of the spur gear it may have costed more for the traditional slotted mounting points on the center plate vs just a drilled hole pattern which I’m imagining is cheaper? (for his drive hub)
which seemingly the majority of these specific spur gear users use his drive hub and burn through them quicker (racers).
Idk just speculation but that’s what I came up off of his latest post. 
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