In short we’ve been working really hard to make the best 6485 size motor we can without going crazy expensive. We’re constantly making improvements that aim to permanently solve any issues we come across.
Now finally we’re up to a level that we deem acceptable to take pre-orders for what we’ve developed. This was a really expensive project which we couldn’t do without the communities help.
So far our latest version is performing awesome despite lots of abuse. They aren’t overheating despite pumping huge amounts of power in thanks to the built-in cooling system. They’ve been getting bashed around on rocks and curbs without complaint. My personal set (300kv running on 12S) has been living a lot of its life between 10,000-14,000RPM. They get ridden in gravel and dirt, in pouring rain, smacked on curbs, and then go on to set the fastest lap times at our underground track nights here in Melbourne AU.
In comparison our other prototype board is up to its third replacement Maytech motor in 6 months despite being more looked after. So we feel confident to make these motors available for the general public now.
Some of the things that make these motors different:
Cooling system which works by pulling in cool air through mesh protected intakes and venting it out the back of the can. You can feel hot air coming out the vents if you spin the motors up after a ride.
Front mounted sensor PCB. Most motors have sensor wires passing through the coils, which causes a lot of interference leading to poor sensor performance and bad temperature readings that can throw you off the board at speed. Mounting the sensors at the front of the motor eliminates these issues.
Quad bearings. Most of the motors used in eskate were adapted from drones which don’t have the radial loads that belts and gears put on the output shaft. This results in relatively short bearing lifespan, however our motors run double NMB bearings at the front to have 4 bearings in total. The bearings are also as large as we could make them to ensure longevity.
Ability to replace bearings with basic tools. All you need is circlip pliers (or creativity) to get the circlip off, and the little allen key in skate T tools to work the bearings out, and you can swap all 4 bearings with fresh ones when they reach the end of their life (instead of retiring the whole motor).
Plus much more, such as low rolling resistance, strong 150C rated magnets, battle hardening, rubber dust seal on the outside bearing, 2.5mm of steel on the rotor for durability, high strength Loctite all round, 0.2mm stator laminations, flexible teflon multicore sensor wires, resin over the sensor PCB, stainless steel mesh to prevent debris entering the motors intakes, multi-strand silicone phase wires that are easy to solder if you want to shorten them, debris seal overlap where the rotor meets the front housing, aerospace grade alloys, logo is etched on the aluminium part instead of the steel where it would rust eventually.
If you’re interested you can view more and order here:
I know Reacher has a version in this kv, and it makes sense not to have it up as an offering for esk8 use. I’m limited in how much gear reduction I can get in a one wheel project. Even lower kv would probably be better.
At this (non-preorder) price point, I’m interested to see how they compare with the Hoyt St. 6361 motors, which are within $6 of each other. They seem to share a lot of similarities, like premium build quality and active cooling.
Hey Kevin/Frank/Geoff, not sure why our website didn’t change to USD for you, but the Hoyt St motors appear to be $325 each, and our motors in USD are about $240 each. Also the active cooling feature of the original motors theirs is based off appears to be removed to help cope with the harsh esk8 environment. No doubt they appear to have a great motor if you need smaller form factor and lighter weight.
The motors in the slowmo video are 300kv, and in the last clip of the youtube video. The first two clips with Dylan riding in the youtube vid are 245kv.
I’m testing 300kv as an experiment to see what problems come about as you increase in rpm. But in terms of torque there is of course more than 245 or 205kv. If you gear down a high kv motor you will get actually much more torque than with a lower kv motor. This is one of the awesome things about these motors, they don’t rattle themselves apart at higher rpm so you can get more power from a smaller package. At 300kv I think is pushing it though because a lot of heat is generated just from the eddy current losses. I just like the tie fighter noise
I have a customer that rides his only off-road, the motors are performing perfectly. 1:4 173kv you can likely upgrade the bearings and get 20k rpm, but I don’t know if other parts of the motor will be effected at that point.
I’m running them at 15k with no load but realistically they dont ever see much more than 12k in use. The reason reacher will have recommended 12k is due to the iron losses. It looks like diminishing returns by this point due to the heat generated. The bearings themselves are good to over 20k rpm, but the motors also aren’t really supported or balanced enough for much above 15k rpm where vibration can become quite an issue on an outrunner of this size and length.